Mai Tai and Kaito

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• festerfairy

  April 2010 edited November -1

  I am so sorry about the pictures I am having so many problems getting them on.
• Sangmort

  April 2010 edited April 2010

  It's a coding thing. You can't use [IMG] [/IMG] on these forums.
  
  Use <img src="http://imageURLhere.com"> & replace the http://imageURLhere.com with the address / URL of your image. Then at the bottom of your comment, make sure the "HTML" part is checked.
  
  You can also find an explanation on how to post images here ---> http://www.nihonken.org/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1297
  
  Look forward to seeing the pics! & congrats! I'm sure Shigeru showed you a good time. :) ~
• sjp051993

  April 2010 edited November -1

  congrats on the new pups!!!!!
• dlroberts

  April 2010 edited April 2010

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• dlroberts

  April 2010 edited November -1

  Fixed it for you.
  
  Sounds like a wonderful experience! I wish you the best of luck with your little monsters.
• the_november_rain

  April 2010 edited November -1

  wow that is a lot of kai pics! Your pups look awfully cute!
• BradA1878

  April 2010 edited April 2010

  Hi Kim!
  
  The pups look great! It's fun to see Nori's sister, Tai's brother, and Kona's sister all in one thread! )
  
  Man I wish I could have been at the Tenrankai! Those pics are amazing, some of those Kai are breath taking. I really like the blocky heads of a few of them!
  
  Thanks for sharing!
  
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• tjbart17

  April 2010 edited November -1

  I'm dying from all the cuteness!!!! I love Kai's!
  
  Congratulations on the new pups! Mai Tai sounds just like my female Maymay. Everything in your story is something that Maymay will do in just an hour. She can really get herself into some trouble. But her white spot is just like my boy's. I love that little white spot on him. Ofcourse, now that he's all grown up you can't really see it anymore.
  
  Thanks for sharing your story and all of your pics. Keep them coming!
• StaticNfuzz

  April 2010 edited November -1

  Interesting the variety of features etc. Genetically what makes one come up as more brindle than black? Some almost look raven black. Is that desired?
  I have no idea about the breed other than what I have seen on this forum so thanks for sharing the photos etc.
  
  Snf
• shishiinu

  April 2010 edited November -1

  Wow I really like the tan brindle simillar to Haru. Great looking Kais and congrats on the new additions!
• ayk

  April 2010 edited April 2010

  With regards to brindle genetics in dogs, it's known that there are 3 alleles on the K loci that controls dominant solid black, brindle, and normal. The priority goes this way:
  
  K > Kbr > ky
  
  K = dominant solid black
  Kbr = less dominant brindle stripes
  ky = recessive normal color (no black added)
  
  There is some unknown modifier that makes the brindle stripes appear differently from breed to breed though. Thin, defined stripes vs. wide, blurry stripes for instance.
  
  
  In the Kai, there's most definately the Kbr gene in the breed. I'll bet that they have the K gene in the breed. I'll venture that there may be ky in the breed but rarely found homozygously.
  
  These are my newest guesses on the genetype/phenotypes in the Kai :
  
  K K = solid black
  K Kbr = mostly black with slight brindle
  Kbr Kbr = more even distribution of brindle
  Kbr ky = red brindles
  
  
  Example of a possible K K:
  
  
  
  Examples of a possible K Kbr:
  
  
  
  
  Examples of a possible Kbr Kbr:
  
  
  
  
  Example of a possible Kbr ky:
  
  
  
• TheWalrus

  April 2010 edited November -1

  One of these days I'm going to have to study up on genetics. Till then I will just sit and nod and pretend like I know what Ayk is talking about :P
• ayk

  April 2010 edited November -1

  :-)
  
  Have you ever come across a red Kai with no stripes? Not cream but red?
• Sangmort

  April 2010 edited November -1

  I'm dieing of kai-spam overload heaven!!!!
  
  LOVE that last pic! btw. ~
• baanton

  April 2010 edited November -1

  Thanks Ayk; My husband keeps laughing at me when I suggest to him that Josephine is "brindling" ... it seems likely she is of the K K types, and she does not even have the white spot on her chest! It takes just the right camera angle and sun positions, etc. to see what I see sometimes. I have posted several pics of her in past threads if anyone wants to take a look. Anyway, I have recommended he read your post...
  
  I have a question, though, but maybe for Fester Fairy, or Shigeru. In the first post above, pic # 33 under the heading of "Pictures at the Tenrankai" there is a dog with an apparent Kai face and build, but the cutest tan lower legs and feet. Is this a full-blooded Kai, with a recessive trait maifesting itself in the lower extremities; or just some "ooops--" accident of cross-breeding? It is a beautiful doggie, but I'm curious to know the variation in the Kai coloring.
• TheWalrus

  April 2010 edited November -1

  Bev, that black pup with the tan underside/legs is just a regular mutt at the event to hang out with its Kai buddies. If you look on Youtube for Kai videos you'll likely come across a some of a Kai named Riku. The dog is one of Riku's buddies, here's a vid of them together.
  
  
  
  
  
  Ayk, I've heard that if you keep breeding aka-tora's you'll end up with almost full reds. Not sure if that's based on assumption or fact.
• kumachan

  April 2010 edited November -1

  Thank you for posting all these great pics! Mai Tai and Kaito are really adorable pups! I had never heard of Kaiken until I found this site and I've become quite curious to learn more about this breed! The "quick & dirty" genetics lesson was very helpful as well! I really appreciate all the great information I am gaining from the folks who post on this site!
• baanton

  April 2010 edited November -1

  Thanks Shigeru, I thought perhaps the little pup with the tan underside was a "wannabe" Kai... Thanks for sharing the video... What fun!!!
• tjbart17

  April 2010 edited November -1

  I'm not surprised to hear that Kaito is learning from watching Kailee. Kai pups are so smart and learn so much from watching what you do and what other dogs do. Word of warning to new or prospective owners though. Watch out what you show your Kai, they will copy you! lol
  
  They are really super cute. My Kai, Koda, seemed to gain confidence as well when we brought in another Kai, a female named Maymay. He started trusting humans more. He used to only let "his people" touch him, but now will let most everyone and has become really social with strangers. He doesn't bark at people anymore on walks either.
  
  I think that Kai's do better in a home with multiple Kais. This could also hold true for Kai/Shiba or Kai/Shikoku homes. I wouldn't know personally.
• festerfairy

  June 2010 edited November -1

  Osy ~ Thank you for the tips I will be trying them soon but I will move to the Kai Ken section It was another error I made.
  Dave ~ Thank you for posting the pictures for me it was a great surprise when I got home to work on fixing them, how the heck did you ever do that is what I said. I have been trying different ways for a week or two now and was disappointed and embarrassed when I finally got the post to take and it did not show the pictures. Thanks again
  Brad ~ I know the whole Nori ordeal was hard on you and Jen to say the least so I was just avoiding it till more time has passed but I guess just seeing pictures of Mai Tai might be just as bad sorry. I do want to thank you for sharing the information on the forum it has enabled us to know what to watch for signs of and share the information with her Vet, trainers and others.
  Nori was Mai Tai’s only littermate. They were Megu’s first litter sired by Riki the 2009 Fall Tenrankai Grand Champion. Magu took 4th place at the Tenrankai she delivered the pups on January 20, 2010 in the later afternoon Mai Tai arrived first with Nori arriving 20 to 30 minutes later the breeder reported the births to be quick and uneventful.
  Shegeru ~ Thanks for the tip, answers and most of all thanks for the wonderful puppies.
  Tara ~ I agree Kais are smart and the puppies sure seem to have helped bring Kailee out of her shell. My husband were observing the play and talking about how happy we think Kailee is to have the family additions.
  I do think that some Kais behaviors remind me of some of the children that I work with that have autism and my Kailee is one of them. When we were in Japan this is the first time she was away from us for a length of time and she lost 3 pounds in 6 days (she gained it right back when we got home) and was just starting to feel comfortable when we got back and these were people she had seen many times before. It did take her awhile to adjust to the puppies but she seems to really enjoy the puppies now and would probably have a few fits if they left. The puppies have grown so we had to adjust the car kennel situation to fit in three of them consequently it has caused Kailee’s kennel to move and she is having a tizzy over it this week. She is refusing to get in the car I give her the verbal choice to stay home in her kennel or get in the car kennel then she will let me put her in the car then screams loudly when we leave and most of the way to someplace and is fine on the way home but will not load herself into the car. We have tried changing her kennel to a wire one for better vision only to hear more screaming, biting wires and if one of the puppies look at her too much she snaps at them then continues to scream. My husband is beside himself and wants her to be able to sit on his lap or whatever makes her happy. I am the mean one that says change is hard but change is our friend. And just like the kids at work the screaming is getting better everyday just a week more and she should be happily jumping in her kennel in the car on command again and riding quietly (cross my fingers).
  I will be trying to move to the Kai Ken folder.