Biking With Your Dogs

edited May 2011 in Behavior & Training
Well, I've recently fixed up my mountain bike and realized that my dogs have an absolute 0 in their bike manners. I've taken them for a couple rides and Russell is (predictably) more eager to learn than London is but as eager as Russell is, he's also really crazy about the "GO FASTER" aspect so I'm a bit nervous when we go on the streets to get to where I want to bike. London usually stays at a steady pace nearby, but gets distracted easily and I have to stop and wait or entice him to keep going. We've taken a lot of trips to the woods and practiced just by going around the block a couple times during dinner hour while no one is outside.


I guess I just want to know if anyone else has taught their dog "bike manners' and has any helpful hints on how to train. We're progressing, as slowly as it may be, but I'd hate to think I'm doing it the WRONG way. I've seen those hitches (called 'Springers'?) that are made to harness dogs to the bike safely, but I'm not sure how they work/how well they work and I don't really like the idea of attaching the dogs to the bike if I'm not going through the city.



Russell is also very suspicious of the bike when I'm not on it. He's pretty sure it could kill us all. We're working on that bit.
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  • edited May 2011
    I applaud your braveness in trying to teach your dog "bike manners"...

    I am an avid mountain biker, but because I have two Shibas... the pups stay home when I am out on the bike. They are NOT off leash dogs, and I am not brave enough to leash them anywhere near a moving bike. That prey drive is am amazing thing... I am accident prone enough as it is, I do not need them pulling me over as they attempt to behead a squirrel... Haha.

    I know a lot of the guys at MTBR take their dogs out on trails. There used to be a thread or two about how they trained their dogs, but I was not able to find them. Check out their forum and maybe ask them about how they worked with their dogs for trail etiquette.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/index.php ( @brada1878 , is it okay to link to another forum here... If not, let me know and I will delete it.)
  • edited May 2011
    We have a guy and his husky/malamute that come to our dog park. Dog is attached to one of the springer setups and is very well behaved. Just trots along next to rear bike wheel.

    However, I would be very reluctant to attach a dog to my bike. Not only what if the dog decides to bolt (sees some interesting prey), but what if dog and rider are attacked by another dog???

    @crispy--I belong to a "casual bikers meetup". If you want me to I can ask folks if anyone has any experiences/recommendations about training dogs the appropriate "bike manners", etc.

    There is also a discussion thread on the Shiba side about transporting Shibas in bicycle baskets.
  • @sukoshi's mom - I first got the idea from seeing another man bike all around town with his malamute. The dog is so well behaved - trots right along side him without a lead. If you wouldn't mind asking around, I'd be very thankful! My boys are a bit too big for baskets though! I can see a shiba in a bike basket being one of the cutest things I'd ever lay eyes on. :)

    @sunyata - haha, "braveness" is a good way to put it, I guess. I'm a bit nervous, but I'm confident they'll pick it up and I have confidence in my dogs' desire to stay with me.

    Russell and London LOVE to dart off into the woods after a rabbit or a squirrel. I kind of just let them go and they meet back up with me later on the trail. Neither of them are ever out of sight for too long. They have a very high prey drive, but I trust them to come back when they've lost interest in whatever it is they've run off after (or when I'm too far away for them to be comfortable). If they're out of sight (or I can no longer hear them) for too long, I'll call them back. Thankfully, they have excellent recall. I've never had a shiba though... one of my old coworkers does and she'd only ever let him off the lead if other dogs were around. He'd stick to the other dogs like glue... but we did have to run after him a few times while we were on the trails.
  • I bike with Rakka. I haven't taken Sosuke out because he's still too young for that kind of exercise, and I haven't biked with more than one dog yet. How do you attach the dogs to the bike, or do you have them off leash? I use a leash coupler and attach it to the post below the seat. It's the same idea as the Springer, it's just not stiff. The leash is too short to get looped on anything, but it gives enough room for Rakka to run comfortably beside the bike. I don't have a problem with her pulling around or running off because of the centre of gravity and forward momentum of the bike keep her from being able to move the bike at all. I've read lots of people say that even very large dogs can't pull a bike off course if it's moving forward. Physics FTW! The only issue, actually, it making sure I keep an eye on her so that I notice right away if she's getting tired or wants to stop for any reason, because she can't stop the bike.

    I haven't biked with dogs off leash. I imagine training dogs to run beside the bike would be similar to teaching dogs to heel; you could probably teach them the correct position by walk the bike and teaching them that heel applies to bike rides as well as walks (assuming they know heel - if they don't, teach them that). I would train one at a time, and then together.

    Here are some things I found on the internet when I was reading about dog biking:

    "Biking With Your Dog"
    "Biking With Your Dog Part II"
  • @crispy-- From the Shiba side. This started a discussion thread:

    http://www.copenhagencyclechic.com/2011/04/dogs-life.html

    I will post a question on our Casual Biker's Meetup Message Board and see what response I get.
  • @hondru - thanks for the links! I've been biking with them off leash because I've seen a malamute get injured pretty badly when his owner attached the leash to the bike and the dog got caught up in the wheel. I'm a bit paranoid about attaching my dogs to the bike because of it. London and Russell both know "heel" and the hardest part is keeping them there. London is actually really good about it, but Russell always wants to go faster than the bike so I have to continuously remind him to stay "inside" (I use it like a 'finish' command to return to the 'inside' of the sidewalk). If what you're saying is true, tho, I'll have to try the leash on the seat post idea and then, once they learn the right manners, I can phase it out.

    @Sukoshi's Mom - that really IS the cutest thing ever! That dog looks like it's so relaxed, haha!
  • Here is some input from one of the bike meetup members. (I think the pole he is referring to is one of those spring type attachements)

    "I would not suggest attaching the leash to your handlebars. If the dog darts in any direction he/she will pull your handlebars and you will loose control of the bike. I have seen short poles that attach to the bike frame. Like this one. I have not used one but it looks OK.

    I normally just have my dog run along side me just like if we were going for a walk. I have the leash in my left hand and my left hand is just resting on the bars. No part of the leash is hanging (so it cannot catch and pull the bars if the dog darts). I keep my dog on a fairly short leash so she cannot cross in front of the bike and take me out. I am totally reliant on my ability to control my bike with my right hand (braking and steering). I am comfortable with this and have been doing it since I was a kid.

    I think the pole attachment is a great idea, especially if you are not comfortable pulling/controlling your dog with one hand and controlling your bike with the other."
  • I went biking with Rakka yesterday and she saw a cat ahead of us. She really wanted to eat that cat, but I didn't even feel her pulling. I only knew she was trying to get at something because she was huffing like she does when she sees something she wants to chase, and of course, when I looked at her, she was staring intently at the cat and pulling in its direction, but yeah, the bike didn't waver at all.
  • More posts from the bike forum:

    Post # 1. Even a slow bike is too fast for most dogs to sustain. Then there's the situation that happened to my friend after I installed the spring gadget on her bike. The dog (a 70# black lab) decided to take off sideways and dragged her across the neighbor's lawn.

    Post #2. That is a valid point. If your dog is not very obedient (read as hard to control) while walking, you will only be asking for trouble when attempting to ride a bike with your dog.

    As far as speed, I normally ride 9-11 mph and my dog keeps up just fine for the two mile loop thru my area. She is pretty tired when we are done, but that is the point of taking her for a walk. Exercise.

    Post#3. I've ridden with my dog (Australian Cattle dog) many times, and he is an obedient walker. I can hold the leash in my left ring and pinky fingers and still have both hands on the bars, and am able to drop the leash very quickly if needed. My dog can keep up at about 10 - 12 mph for about 10 minutes - then he begins to lag behind and I have to encourage him to keep up. So, plan on riding slower that you might on your own. I see riding as an extension of walking your dog - if your dog "walks" you, riding with them might not be a good idea.
  • I bike with Ife (but not in winter) and she is quite well behaved with it. Funny thing is that she was scared of bikes when we started biking. First we started just walking with the bike then I rode few meters and then slowly started to do longer trips (our first bike trip was five minutes long :D). She really enjoys biking (I'm not so keen runner so this way Ife gets chance to run miles) and she also has lost her fear towards bikes. Because Ife has some issues with her hind leg muscles I stretch and massage her after biking. And usually next day is day off, we got this hint from our masseuse.
  • Another comment from the bike meetup:

    I've seen my neighbor do this with his dog. I'm considering training mine to do the same. My neighbor holds the leash in his left hand and his dog obediently runs alongside. He only goes one mile.

    The only reason I would even consider doing this with my dog is because she is incredibly obedient and loves to run and swim. I think she could handle the exercise, as long as we built up to it. Like people, dogs shouldn't be expected to suddently undergo a 3 to 5 mile run without any training leading up to it.

    Be sure to keep your dog hydrated and be on the lookout for signs of heat exhaustion.
  • Thank you for all your help guys! I biked and brought London and Russell with me trying to use some of the ideas here. I found the leashes on the seat post worked the best for city riding and they kept up very well.

    London did pull (well, he's made for pulling) once or twice and I could feel him pulling, but he never pulled so much the bike got knocked out of motion. They're both very well behaved normally and they like the rides. I get a little worried about London because he's not used to fast paces, so I'm easing him into longer rides.
  • When i first tried "road work" for Shiba - i would walk them along side the bike till i felt they were comfortable with that before i actually got on the bike. i just hold the lead in my hand, although we do have a walkie-dog...haven't used it for my Shiba (we also have BC and mini-aussie). Having some verbal control is good...like "leave it!", "easy", "whoa!" ;^} We also have Diggler scooters - which we take the dogs "scootering" (urban mushing)...this is great *FUN*! Good exercise for the human, too...especially since i have Shiba and they don't actually pull me along.
  • Scooters have an advantage over bikes in that the dog is out front, meaning that you can keep an eye on them and also, you can't go faster than they are able, since they're in front. Also, since it's harder for a person to scooter than it is to bike, you'll be less likely to go too fast in the first place. The dogs are harder to control, though, and there's more training involved.
  • Here is a pic of Peter (my SO) and his BC & mini-aussie ready to hit the trail: {this is the first time i'm posting a pic...so apologies if this is not the correct way to post!}
    https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.2003714096448.2119695.1351481137&l=9ec188c4bd
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