Red shiba with a pink nose for breeding ?

LudmilaLudmila
edited June 2011 in Shiba Inu (柴犬)
Hello everyone,

In France, we have big trouble with breeding Shibas and Akitas ( temperament, physical, socialization nonexistent... )
I would like your views on this male from a kennel, he's THE male and I think he will be confirmed LOF ( pedigree ) but take a look at his pink nose..
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Have you ever seen this often? Is it correct for breeding ? I don't think so.
Please, let me know ;)

Comments

  • lindsaytlindsayt
    Pigment is to be black. This is also why I object to breeding to cream dogs, and I have never seen an adult cream with good pigment. Maybe it's an injury or sunburn?

    I suppose if there were so few dogs in a country that he may be useful for breeding or able to show given a lack of competition, but it isn't as if there is a lack of moderate dogs elsewhere that could be purchased and shipped. If he was in America, he would be severely faulted in the breed ring. If the judge didn't see it, you can be sure the other exhibitors would point it out and the exhibitor would probably be lynched or something.
  • sukoshi_momsukoshi_mom
    It's not just the pink nose. The darker bands of fur on his neck, around his face are kind of odd. I suspect that there is something else other than Shiba in his lines.
  • lindsaytlindsayt
    That's a Shiba. The coloring isn't really good sesame however. It is not a clear red dog at all, nor a good sesame, more sashige than anything.
  • aykayk
    Looks kind of like a snow nose rather than a pink nose as found in creams. Snow nose is supposed to be treatable with supplements, a pink nose stays pink.

    The dark fringe around his head/neck are normal. I suspect there's a black/tan Shiba in the dog's background.
  • aykayk
    edited June 2011
    Snow nose will be seasonal as well. It disappears during the summer months and reappear during the winter months.
  • CrispyCrispy
    To back up what ayk is saying, London's (my Mal) gets "snow nose" and it looks EXACTLY like that in the winter and it turns black in the summer. This year, it's taking a little longer to turn completely black, though.

  • sunyatasunyata
    What causes snow nose?

    And even if it is treatable, is it a genetic disorder? Would offspring likely be affected?
  • CrispyCrispy
    I think there are a few factors that cause snow nose, but here's a good link: http://www.lowchensaustralia.com/grooming/snownose.htm

    I don't believe "snow nose" is genetic, but certain breeds (and lighter colored dogs) seem to be more susceptible to it than others. Also, some dogs will get snow/winter nose and the nose never turns back to black. I've noticed this happened to London last year. He had a tiny stripe of pink in the middle on the top of his nose, but the rest filled back in black.
  • LudmilaLudmila
    edited June 2011
    Ok, thanks for your opinion & infos. Yes I agree, we need more imports
  • shibamistressshibamistress
    Yeah, I would say he's not a good candidate for breeding, for the reasons Lindsay noted. I think his markings are off (with the band) too, and there is the nose issue which may or may not be a genetic problem but still.

    Ludmilla, you should go over to the Shiba side and play our game about spotting the well bred Shiba! It was kind of fun, and I learned a lot more about correct markings/tails/etc.
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