Dog math!!

edited January 2013 in General
Okay this is kind of silly, but I got to thinking about math, which is never good.
Help me do math!!! :(

What would be the optimal amount of running for a dog to be in the best shape, or better, what is the equivilant of a 2 mile human run for a dog?

Id say that running about 2-3 miles a day for a human is pretty good, or for myself anyway. I jog a pretty slow 10-13 minute mile. But assuming that one doesn't run everyday, since that isn't optimal nor healthy, I'll say 10 miles a week. But a dog, with their four legs and what not, are built for running. So what would be the equivalent of a 2 mile human run for a dog?

Dogs sprint about 30 miles an hour, so I think that a comfortable jogging speed might be about 10-15 mph. But I cant even sprint that fast. I'm comfortable at jogging 5-6 mph. So a dog is going to have to do a 6mph jog unless I got a motorbike or a dog pacer like @poeticdragon over here.

I was thinking of an equation like, 3 miles burns about 250 calories, which is a percentage of my body weight, so then asking how many miles would have to be ran by a dog to burn the same percentage of body weight/calories...and that would.....not make any sense.


Anyway. I was just curious. Any help with math would help. I'm got one of those art degrees.


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  • Simply put, each dog is different so math would not really work well. 1 mile for an akita is different for a shiba, which is different for a pug, and so on. Huskies are known to be able to run for several miles without a break, while a single mile could cause serious health issues for a bull dog. Read your dog and learn from him how many miles he can handle
  • well, in that case, my semi-educated guess would be about 4-5 miles on a dirt trail. of which, my stamina stops at 3 miles.
  • aykayk
    edited January 2013
    Just a minor detail here, but most dogs aren't built for running (galloping). They're built for trotting.

    If training for show, it's more important to stay at a speed that keeps the dog in a trot. You don't want to go at a speed where the dog breaks into a lope (sled dogs) or gallop (sighthounds).
  • Just on the side note of running/loping - Mirra doesn't do it as much as her arthritis hurts her some but I LOVE watching Mirra run across the hills... I think you can also tell by watching your dog what they can handle based on what looks natural for them. Mirra's long loping stride eats up the ground and she used to do it all the time (daily run) she looks so beautiful doing it and you can tell she is SO happy when she did and on the days she feels still feels good enough to do it.
    These days most percentage of her hiking time is the trot though. The Kai will lope on our hikes for quite a bit, but then also settle into an nice trot for the duration.
  • edited January 2013
    I have nothing to add, I'm just enjoying Cara's words about Mirra.
  • @jellyfart I think if you can get Toki to jog a mile or 2 with you that would be a pretty good workout for him. I don't think Akitas are made for distance running. If he turns out to really enjoy it you can also train him to run along side of you on a bicycle. I am really hoping my Hokkaido will enjoy jogging since both my wife and I are runners.
  • How long of a walk do y'all think that a Kai needs everyday. I have a bad knee and can't jog more than a few hundred yards, but I walk between 12 and 20 miles a day at work so walking is no problem for me. My shepherds really dont care for walks though. They prefer to just chase each other around the backyard for 45min or so and that usually tires them out.
  • If walking, try hiking on some steep trails. This tires my two out far more than a sprint on the flat. Also better on my stuffed knee :)
  • edited January 2013
    Hills... Bahah, I live in Dallas. Not quite as pancakey as the coast, but pretty flat. I'll be on the lookout though.

    I've been sick this whole month of January, so I was just curious as to what a amount of distance should have been being. I haven't been able to run Toki at all. Last time I tried in the middle of the month I got super sick again since I wasn't 100% healed. It's frustrating because the AKIHO show is coming up and I haven't been working him out. My poor little couch potato.
  • Come on @jellyfart go get your dog fighting paraphernalia aka treadmill...
  • Hello Jellyfart~ you shouldn't work him out too much yet. riding bicycle with him is very good idea to work out with him. don't make him run full speed but walk fast. like you are showing the dog.
    I'm starting with Karin and will start with tachi few months later since he is still young puppppy~
  • @ jellyfart where in DFW do you live. I am just north up in Anna, TX.
    Always said biggest hills in Texas are the freeway on-ramps.
  • @oddball BAHA, highways, very true. And I am in Mansfield. Its the suburb just south of Arlington.

    @timkim the issue I have with the bike is Toki's overwhelming urge to piss on everything. Have this problem with Tachi?
  • edited January 2013
    Doesn't he stop walking to piss on something? Never seen a dog manage to lift his leg or squat while running. Just saying. Unless he just dribbles all the time without lifting or squatting (ew).
  • Lol, i have thought about that, but every time I play it out in my head, Toki turns into this rage piss machine and pulls me over to sniff/pee on a pole, or chase a bunny, and in each scenario, of course I'm always irresponsible so I'm never wearing a helmet and then I fall over and brains fall on the sidewalk and Toki runs away cause I lost that part of my brain that controls my hand.....It just doesn't end well my scenarios.
  • What you could do is put a rope with a caribiner on the end of it around the frame of your bike and attach his leash to that. That way if you want to stop and get off the bike, you can unhook him quickly but if you crash and he wants to run off he has to take the whole bike with him.
  • Julia, did you see the exercising part in that file I sent you? The guy with the motor bike IMO rode too far but the bike is a good idea.
  • @sean, i did see it! :)
    I've been doing the leash thing where you hold it up in the air and walk, but I try to make it look not awkward cause it is kind of an awkward thing. I can feel him pulling from his chest when I do that, so I'm continuing it. Though a week before the show, it wont have much of an effect.
  • what is everyones opinions on roller blades? I have those things.

    I was thinking about somehow magyvering a backup leash that is always attached to my belt loop, that way if i fall and die, he will have to drag me around and wont be able to escape. bahaha
  • Roller blades are a bad idea due to the lack of proper breaks. It is very hard to stop if something should happen, like if he decided to chase after a squirrel.

    You could also try something called Canicross. Basically, the dog is hooked to a special belt on your waist and they pull you while you walk or jog behind them. This puts a little bit more of a work out on the dog as they are pulling some of your weight.
  • both of my dogs does that. sniff and peeeee. but they don't do that when they are on bike. they don't stop when they are running. try to run with him before you try bike. and see if he still pull you to pee when you run with him at that speed.
  • edited January 2013
    If you're going to do the bike, get a proper bike attachment like a Walky Dog. Its much safer than carabiners and tying leashes to handle bars and such. Never ever attach a leash to the front part of the bike which controls the steering (the post attached to the front wheel)... you always want it on the main part of the frame, preferably low to the ground to reduce the dog's ability to unbalance you. You don't want the dog to be able to turn the wheel, or get its leash in front of either wheel and caught up in the mechanics. A Walky Dog (or similar) prevents the dog from getting too far ahead or behind, caught up in the wheels, or causing steering problems. It also has shock absorbers.

    Remind me the day of the show, or maybe Saturday afternoon, and I'll bring my bike and attachment so you can see it in action. Or come over to my house later and you can see the treadmill, too. :)
  • Oh, and it goes without saying, but you should not use a check chain or any kind of collar with a bike. Harness only.
  • one would think it goes w/o saying, but its good that you said it. I have seen bikers leashed to a dog on a prong collar, head halters. #1 must be safety, but in addition: now that I am on my 4th dog my awareness of subtle communication via leash has grown acute and that's only possible if you don't fill the leash with meaningless 'noise' and conflict. This is also true for those darn retractable leashes- Listen to Claire- harness only!
  • @poeticdragon, you should def bring it to the show/i swing by and see it! I think after cali i'm going to get my bike fixed and get one of those walky dog things. Now i want to try the bike!!

    @calia The canicross look intense! Toki can do some pretty serious pulling, he might enjoy this (before i got sick with this super intensely stupid month long cold, we were running pretty regularly, so this would be a good "next step" thing", once we get back in the groove of things.)
  • Bike - Strand Beach Cruiser with pedal brake. Go slow enough that the dog trots( Tim pointed that out). Get a potty in before and plan one along the way.

    Don't go to far early on cause you'll hurt the Dogs pads. I use a harness and a shorter leash.

    The foot brake is key.
  • Everyone has such good advice already but I would definitely second @*JackBurton* about being careful of his pads!!!
    It's not something we normally think about around here because our ground is so sandy/gravel etc - our dogs pads are like stone, but we had some company a few years back that came from the city, their dogs had a ton of fun the first day but by day two were pretty tender on their feet :( - they need to build up the callouses too just like we do!! :)
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