Hokkaido in the USA?
I have seen one years ago. The guy told me it was the worst dog he ever owned :)
Can anyone shed some light on the breeds situation here?
Can anyone shed some light on the breeds situation here?
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What would you like to know?
Otherwise you can speak to Robert (ktrebor) - he breeds Hokkaido in Poland. He has also given us great information along with pics/vids of his hokkaido in this thread
Jamie's Kangai is so grown up now. She's a beautiful young lady.
The dog itself was quite small, Shiba sized. White in color with a thin coat , may have been out of coat at the time. temperment wide it seemed like every Jindo I have ever met, very shy, nervous.
What is the preservation society in Japan? how active is the breed in Japan? Any idea to the number in North America? has anyone heard of any talk to establisha USA branch of the Japanese preservation society?
Taro eventually died of natural causes at age 19. He was a really cool dog and I wish I could have played with him. Secret to longevity in Nihonken is rice, miso soup and dried fish. My grandmother fed Taro dried fish, miso soup, left over rice, and a little bit of dog food every day of his life.
Yes they have very strong guarding instinct and they could be dog aggresive - but I think that suits more males - JaJa our female hokkaido is gently towards other dogs. Kiba is aggresive towards males, and mostly when they are bigger than him. He loves to play with dogs which he has know from his puppyhood.
I think that in case of dog to dog aggresion it is matter of early socialization.
Regarding attitiude toward peaople. We are living in so called "open house" we have many friends, there is always someone coming or going. All our dogs were socialized from they puppyhood, and now they are love people - they are trying to get their attention - bringing toys, and begging for food. Situation is changing when they are running free in the garden - almost all person on the other side of fence is aproached with caution, they start barking and howling.
Regarding hiding food in home. Hmm I never see this behaviur in home, but Kiba is sometimes hiding bones in garden.
Oh - and one thing Hokkaido inu is a very brave dog, he is strong, fast and he "know that". It is very self confident dog, strong willed, but comparing to shiba (we have one) is more submissive toward his owner.
They sound fantastic actually. I love all primitive breeds, in fact I can't get enough of them. Are Hokkaido typicaly the size of Shiba's? I always thought they where larger than that but the one I did see was an adult and she was Shiba sized.
People from Jomon culture survived in remote regions of Japan, on separated southern islands or in frozen northern island of Hokkaido. Many anthropologist suggest that we could say that there is connection between Ainu people and ancient Jomon culture.
But during this time for almost thousands of years Hokkaido inu were extensivelly breeded for two main purposes - to hunt big game - mainly bears, and to guard remote homes of matagis (hunters) - hokkaido likes to observe surrounding from higher terrain (in one from my discussion topic you could find some pictures of Kiba doing that), hokkaido have several sounds which help the to show their prey during hunt - several types of howls, long and short barks - they are wery goood in telling what they see
Even now in Japan there are organised so called bear test - in which dogs are evaluated - how brave and bold they are. Shy dogs are removed from breeding.
Hokkaido inu should be bigger than shiba, they are more strongly build with broader chest. Our female hokkaido inu is almost the sime size as Amandil (our male shiba inu) - but several judges on FCI shows are suggesting that Amandil is rather big and it is fault regarding shiba inu standard.
Thanks for that explination. That makes sense as they where are used as all around hunting/farm dogs. All Nihon Ken should be bold and brave. That is one of the things I value about them.
Speaking of Jomon what do you think of the Jimon-Shiba? I personaly find them facinating. I would not mind finding some when I go to Japan.
The whole "alpha" thing is a myth anyway. Dogs aren't driven by their desire to dominate.
---Having had several Jindos in my care and evaluated quite a few in shelters. They are all different just like people. Their behavior in most cases really depends on how they are handled and socialized as puppies. Many Jindos are left on a chain in the back yard with little attention or training or even acclimation to other dogs after 5 or 6 weeks of age. By default, not of their own doing, they can then become overly reserved, shy or sometimes aggressive toward other animals who may cross into their boundary area.
Like the Hokkia the majority of Jindos have a definite sense of territory, strong prey drive and a pretty tight bond with their owners when handled early and properly. I have seen a few live with other animals such as cats and chickens and yes, children harmoniously. It is the other animals outside the pack that a Jindo may react to. They have a definite sense of where things belong too and who belongs in them and size up situations accordingly, but usually are not as dramatic as say a Shiba.
So that being said, I reiterate what others have stated, good training and early socialization of any of the "Spitzy" breed dogs is essential to make the most of their attributes, particularly the more primitive ones within the Nihon Ken group, to which I categorize the Jindo into as well.
PS: Most dogs will try to take a leadership role if the owner does not. However, I would discard the myth of dogs wanting to be "alpha" over humans. Human behavior and signals of communication are very different. Training requires learning what drives each animal and guiding activities that are benevolently appropriate (benevolent leadership) to bring about behaviors that make a dog awesome to live with. Each breed has its merits so you have to work with what you have in each individual personality.
Here is a link that has some elements to consider: http://www.bingodogtraining.com/how_to_become_the_leader_your_do.htm
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The Hokkaido that I met was very much the same way, a shy, skiddish and weak nerved dog. Now am I saying they all are this way? Absolutley not, I have only met one.
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Its like any working/hunting breed, there are agressive traits and submissive traits. I have never met a shy Hokkaido but like any breed there are always dogs that have shy traits. Look at Hokkaido area, its mostly rural. These dogs are big game dogs and thus are more agressive due to their nature. When you continually breed dogs for big game hunting you are going to get naturally high prey, high drive dogs with the exception of few dogs that are the opposite.
I want it to be known that I am not saying Hokkaido's have weak nerves, just the one I saw did.
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I think the term "weak nerves" is a little hard to quantify. Maybe you mean confidence? Not putting words in your mouth or anything... Even confidence is hard to quantify.
I have noticed something with our dogs, it has become very hard for me to define "confidence" or "fearfulness" unless the dog's temperament is completely overwhelmed with one or the other.
With Nihonken I believe they should have balance above everything else. They should show some hesitence/flight while at the same time showing confidence, courage, and loyalty. All of these qualities is what make them good hunters and companions. If they had too much of one quality they would not make for a good hunter.
I can give a few example, and I will try to keep this brief...
Ahi: She epitomizes fearlessness. I have seen her charge packs of roaming dogs with no hesitation. She also basically wanted to kill Luytiy at first and he out weighs her by almost 100lb. She will defend the yard from roaming dogs or people, but then be completely welcoming to a stranger that we introduce - maybe even overly welcoming. Then, at the same time, if I roll a wheel chair close to her she will react by jumping back and then slowly approach it until she is comfortable - lasts about 30 seconds. That is because we had never socialized her with a wheelchair before. To me, she has the perfect Nihonken temperament - slightly guarded, courageous, logical hesitance, and confidence - but VERY reactive.
Kona: Kona is very wary of new people. He will take over a minute to warm up to a new person and if that new person tries to initiate contact first Kona will take even longer to warm up to them. Once comfortable with them he is fine, and will even "ask" for some love. So, Kona is obviously a bit more hesitant than Ahi, but at the same time Kona will back down to no threat - dog or human. He will charge, bark, and growl if a dog or person makes a threatening gesture at his "pack". If a dog approaches him in a respectful manner Kona is fine, no aggression - just cool and calm. So in Kona's case one could say he has "weak nerves" due to his hesitation, but then the case could be made that he is more courage than Ahi since he is naturally hesitant but will stand up to a person or dog if needed. When Luytiy came into the home, Kona just accepted him - no issues... while Ahi FREAKED - the case could be made here that Kona is more confident than Ahi.
Fuji: She is freakishly confident, almost arrogant. She just walks into any situation, head held high, tail up, and announces herself. She will give a passing bark at something she finds strange or if a dog or stranger approaches the fence. Now if a strange dog entered our yard Fuji would be one of the last to engage the dog - Ahi, Kona, and Luytiy would be there before any of our Akita. One may view this as hesitation - or maybe benevolence... but benevolence can even be misconstrued as weak nerves or lack of confidence too (like when Hilo is laying there and Kahuna starts humping him - Hilo doesn't care... I get a lot of "he is dominating Hilo" notes on YouTube due to that - but is he?).
So maybe confidence or "weak nerves" is subjective and can change based on the subject and situation and therefore it's hard to paint a whole breed as confident or not confident.
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Weak nerves aren't an annoyance. they are dangerous. That is the kind of animal that will bite a child in the face.
No, I won't have that. I mean there is a lot you can do in order to help build confidence through socialization, training and so forth but a dog with a weak nervous system that has zero stress resistence is like having aticking timebomb in your home.
Hokkaido is a primitive dog, but has been seleted since along time by Ainu people.
I don't think Hokkaido is aggressive.It's a dominant breed, like other japanese dogs. I own Akita inu too, and I found Hokkaido easier than Akita with other dogs.
My female accepts all dogs. My males accept some others dogs, male or female, but don't like other dominant dogs.
Concerning hunting instincts, Hokkaido is really a hunter from ethe head to te back ! And more than I can see on other japanese breeds.
(sorry for my english...^__^)