Do our breeds need this?

BradA1878BradA1878
edited May 2008 in General
I know I have been chatting a bunch about Tibetan Mastiff [sorry], but I stumbled on this site and thought it was great... Do we need to do this for our breeds?

www.tibetanmastiffinfo.com

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Comments

  • brandon_wbrandon_w
    edited November -1
    I'm guessing you mean for the breeds on here outside of the Shiba and Akita?

    It never hurts to put good information out there if you want to take the time to put it together and get everything fact checked.
  • okironokiron
    edited November -1
    Honestly I would love a list of nihon ken breeders that are reputable and recommended.
  • tsukitsunetsukitsune
    edited May 2008
    I think based on the not-so-hot info on wikipedia and especially from the primitive breed misunderstanding a majority of people seem to have about the Nihon Ken being called "primitive" and exactly what that means, and shibas (and akitas?) becoming an overbred designer breed of dog where it might be hard to find a reputable breeder..
    Yeah, I think its a good idea.
    I'm sure you will get a lot of help from here if *you* were to do it.
  • dlrobertsdlroberts
    edited November -1
    I have mixed emotions about it. On the one hand, its great to be an authoritative source of information. The difficulty, especially with the Shiba or Akita, is that they are popular enough breeds that you the risk of pissing off people that feel some ownership of the breed's branding on the web (e.g. the NSCA). For the other Nihon Ken there is clearly more of a need and you already know most of the breeders outside of Japan which will make things a lot easier. Where I see a potential problem is making the breeds profile higher. I wonder if keeping a low profile is better for them to avoid, at least for now, exposure to puppy mills and greedy irresponsible breeders that want to make a lot of money off of a rare breed they can charge a lot for. But then again, maybe I'm just cynical.
  • okironokiron
    edited November -1
    You got a good point Dave. You're not being cynical :) I was looking at it merely as a personal use without thinking about how others will perceive it.
  • LeonbergerLeonberger
    edited November -1
    It has good things and bad things going for it. I think Dave summed it up pretty well, it would be a good source of reliable info but it could make the breeds visible enough to be harmed.
  • diggahdiggah
    edited November -1
    @tsukitune: The beauty of wikipedia is that it is open to collaborative editing; so if you see something you don’t think is quite right you’re welcome to submit revisions.

    In terms of providing a benefit to the breed; in the case of the shibas I think “the misanthropic shiba” is the gold standard. Whenever I talk to folks who are seriously considering the breed I point them towards that site.
  • tsukitsunetsukitsune
    edited November -1
    the misanthropic shiba is a phenomenal source of down to earth shiba wealth!!! helped us make our choice, too!
  • BradA1878BradA1878
    edited November -1
    Yea, there are pretty good sources for Shiba and Akita (tho not great for Akita imo)... I was speaking more towards Shikoku-Ken, Hokkaido Inu, Kishu Inu, & Kai-Ken.

    But, I think I agree w/ Dave's point... I would prefer it be harder to find info on the breeds if that helped keep them safe... then people can always come here for more info.

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  • scarletscarlet
    edited November -1
    I wasn't aware of the misanthropioc shiba site, at least I don't recall it. What a great site! I love it, 'cept I don't necessarily agree with the 'barking' paragraph, but perhaps Jake is just not much of a barker and I've always discouraged it when he did display it, maybe 'cause it's so annoying when it gets into the howling mode. He's also so young that he probably wouldn't bark when I'm not around, not wanting to draw attention to hisself. I do love my dog!
  • glacierglacier
    edited November -1
    Maybe a sort of site, where most of the content is only visible if you log in? but that would defeat the purpose of an information site...
  • tsukitsunetsukitsune
    edited May 2008
    Brad,
    I think it would be helpful to start separate posts on this forum called something like "Owning a Kai Ken is really like.." or something like that where owners of Kai Ken (Or Shikoku, Ainu Inu, Kishu Ken..) can imput what its really like to own one and pictures vs. the breed standard, all that. I think its easier to find history of an animal rather than the logistics of what its really like in 2008 to obtain and experience ownership of such a rare treasure.

    I know for me, it would be helpful when we decide to add to our pack to see what they are really like with other dogs, smaller dogs, bigger dogs, in social situations, with training, fears, all that.. IMO.
    You can make them all "member's only" posts.
  • BradA1878BradA1878
    edited November -1
    That's a great idea Jen! I'll do that this weekend... or feel free to do it yourself. :o)

    Thanx!

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  • tsukitsunetsukitsune
    edited May 2008
    I would, but I only have personal info on Shibas, which seems readily available - and truly I think it would come out exactly like The Misanthropic Shiba anyway ( http://www.bravewolf.ca/shibainu.html )

    But I would love to hear first hand experience between living with Shibas and Shikoku and Shibas with Kai for any future endeavors.. :)
  • tsukitsunetsukitsune
    edited November -1
    Is the information on this page accurate (for those who own what is represented)
    http://japanesedogs.bulldoginformation.com/
  • BradA1878BradA1878
    edited November -1
    As far as I can tell the text on each Nihon-Ken breed on that site is at least 90% taken from "Japanese Dogs: Akita, Shiba, and Other Breeds", so yea, i would say its pretty accurate.

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  • tsukitsunetsukitsune
    edited May 2008
    Well at least they have a reputable source.. :P

    Its nice to have a historical background and generalization about dog temperaments online as a foundation source but with Nihon Ken, are their bloodlines being altered very much in the US so that unless you meet the Dam and Sire, you really don't know what to expect? Or am I very off..
  • okironokiron
    edited November -1
    "Ohter medium-sized dogs are the Kai inu and the Kishu inu.
    They are all very similar with overlapping colors and only minor differences in size and morphological points, with the Shikoku being the smallest of the three Shika inus. "
    - http://www.japanese-breeds.start-info.nl talking about shikokus

    Apparently kais, shikokus and kishus have only minor differences and are basically all the same.
  • dlrobertsdlroberts
    edited November -1
    Apparently a lot of info websites got their mis-information from the same place because i've read that multiple times before. :-(
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