Hard headed

SakiSaki
edited August 2008 in Behavior & Training
Sachi will be 3 month tomorrow. I was wondering if it's a trait of the Shiba or it's because Sachi is still a puppy. She knows what NO means, but doesn't seem to care. She will go back again and again even if I told her NO + spank on her butt. She's at a stage now to eat whatever she finds; my house cannot be 100% puppy proof.

It looks like she even laught at my other dog's (Bella) warning by licking her mouth, even if Bella is growling and showing her teeth.

Do you have any idea how can I make her understand that when I say NO it's NO? Do you have any suggestions for punishment that could work?

Thanks!

Comments

  • tobyshibatobyshiba
    edited November -1
    You should already be well aware that a Shiba listens on its own time. :) And a 3 month old puppy will not listen, just as much as an adult Shiba!
  • SakiSaki
    edited August 2008
    I was aware that Shibas listen when they want, but did not want to believe it. I guess the only thing to do is PATIENCE! Glad to know that it will get better later. The problem is that I compare her to my other dog who was so easy.
  • SangmortSangmort
    edited November -1
    lol Sounds like a Shiba to me :)~
  • KaddyKaddy
    edited November -1
    I've kind of stopped using 'no' to get any dog to listen... instead I offer them something WAY more enticing to do. Usually Kieko will pick on Belle to a point that Belle just snaps, which *should* be a good warning - but it's not. So I find something Keiko wants to play with more (ie Wubba) and toss it out for her. Maybe this doesn't work with all dogs, but I just have a problem with saying 'no' 50,000 times a day and not getting any results. Keiko does know 'leave it' and 'drop it' - both of which I taught her using treats as a reward for leaving or dropping whatever she shouldn't be getting to. A good practice for this is with toy retrieval. As soon as Keiko brings me a toy I say 'drop it' and offer her a treat - if she drops it at my feet, she gets the treat, really simple! (She has gotten a little too smart... she'll pretend I threw her Wubba and bring it to me, drop it at my feet and look up like ..."ok where's the treat!?!")

    Anyway, hope that might help you out a little bit! Working with your dog *usually* works better than working against :o)
  • tsukitsunetsukitsune
    edited August 2008
    i personally think shibas listen better (when they are young anyway) when they are 1. tired and 2. offered a reward for their obedience to you. If she goes for something you don't want her to have, say no then offer her something she can have. She listens=reward. Positive reinforcement.
    And be consistent with the words or actions you use, she'll pick it up. Shibas are super smart.
    I don't 'punish' or 'spank' my dogs, they wouldn't respond to it anyway.
  • MommyofNikoMommyofNiko
    edited November -1
    Welcome to being a shiba parent. Niko has been very bad with Chad, so some more attention training coming up.
  • HeidiHeidi
    edited November -1
    Tojo's super good for me now, but he was SUCH a brat up until he turned two. I think part of it was moving to the country, too. Now he spends so much time getting outdoor exercise that he's much more mellow and much less likely to act out.

    Seriously, though, he used to wreck things if he was mad at me. Most dog trainers will scoff at that idea, but he honestly did things out of spite, I know he did. He did things like pick the keys off the computer keyboard (those are a pain in the butt to put back on!) or put just one set of bite marks in items that I used a lot (there's a warning to you!). Also, he was whining to get out once and I was ignoring him because I was going to the bathroom myself, so he came and peed right in front of me - practically on my foot - and then just walked off. After Isaac was born, he was jealous, so he'd wait until I was nursing Isaac to go get something that belonged to me and chew it just out of reach. Of course, it's hard to move when you're nursing a baby. He was just taunting me. He'd also pull Isaac's socks off.

    You'd never know it now, though. He's still really bratty compared to most dogs, but I couldn't ask for a better shiba friend.
  • KaddyKaddy
    edited November -1
    Heidi - I know many people will disagree because they're 'just dogs'... but I honestly believe they do get cranky and do things they know will make you angry!!! Seemingly out of spite ( I do believe it, but I won't argue with poeple who say it's not so).
  • HeidiHeidi
    edited November -1
    Sorry, I should be giving you advice. I can't say much because I never figured out how to outsmart Tojo, other than to try and take the fun out of his games, whatever that takes. Spray bottles are the only form of non-verbal discipline I use. Except in rare cases there are time-outs, but those are more to calm down and let everyone get their thoughts together than a punishment. When Tojo was a little pup, I'd spray breathfreshener in his mouth if he nipped me, and he hated it with a passion, so it became a marker for forbidden items. I don't think the taste of it on the items was strong enough to work like a bitter apple spray or anything, but I do think that he had negative associations with it, so he left those items alone (for the most part).

    With Rakka, letting her drag a short leash around the house gave me more control when she was first here and was pestering the cats or Tojo. I'm not sure it would work on a shiba, though. They resent confinement and sometimes I think it just makes the problem worse.
  • apshibaapshiba
    edited November -1
    actually I dont use NO word (very rarely). instead I make a sound of "en en" (like nasal N sound). you can do your own strange sound and shiba will respond to that by understanding "i did something which is not good". then you switch the attention by throwing a diff toy away from the trouble spot, if that does not work then I used to get treats out and do quick training session or 1 minute timeout (put in crate with no toys) -- in other times like bedtime or when we are going to be away he gets toys and biscuits in crate).

    it is a patience thing. and also good jog every morning/evening works. I also rotate toys every 2 weeks.
  • NekopanNekopan
    edited November -1
    Just wanted to add that licking, especially licking another dog's mouth, is a submissive gesture. She's not laughing at Bella, she's probably trying to say sorry.
  • SakiSaki
    edited November -1
    That's what I thought about the licking part and maybe that's why Bella never tries to bite her. Maybe I should try to growl too : )
  • MommyofNikoMommyofNiko
    edited November -1
    The licking is also a nurturing gesture, like moms would lick their pups mouths.
  • SangmortSangmort
    edited November -1
    Abhay - "En en!" Like on "It's Me or the Dog" :)~
  • KaddyKaddy
    edited November -1
    Does it mean the same thing when Keiko licks my mouth... or... is she just trying to get a taste of that PB toast I just had... ;o)
  • JessicaRabbitJessicaRabbit
    edited November -1
    I would say B.

    Most behavior books will tell you a dog licking another dogs mouth is a sincere act of submission.
  • HeidiHeidi
    edited November -1
    What about when two dogs lick each other's mouths? My dogs french kiss all the time.
  • KaddyKaddy
    edited August 2008
    I was mostly kidding Jessica :o) Keiko has to be reminded daily that she's not the boss hehe - as our trainer says "she's a little spitfire!" ... I have other names for it ;o)
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