Right now, I would guess a little over 30lbs. We don't own a scale so it has been a while since we weighed her, but she is heavier than Moto who is 25lbs.
Is there a big difference between the Shiba and the Shikoku that you could explain to me? (Im new to the world of Nihon ken). I am always looking to expand my knowlege of the breeds.
In my experience (mind you I have only ever met 2 shikoku) Miko is much more concerned with pleasing us. She THRIVES on affection and approval. Moto is much more independent. Miko is longer and taller and will likely be bigger. Moto is 2 and done growing, Miko has a lot of filling out to do. I would say Moto is more mischievous too. Miko is finishing up teething and has only destroyed a third of what Moto did when he was teething.
I will likely think of more. Brad has shikoku and shiba, and Heidi to I would be curious as to what they have to contribute.
LOL - those are so fun! I love the last shot where Jason looks like he is just giving in to the Shika smooches. I have been there!
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Shiba are way more high maintenance than a Shikoku. Shikoku have more horsepower than a Shiba tho, so when they get crazy they can knock stuff over and do some damage.
Loa NEVER barks, but Ahi is a barker - I would say barking is probably more likely in the Shikoku than the Shiba since they are "baying dogs".
Shikoku are mod def more willing to please than Shiba, but not as willing to please as Akita. Kai are the least interested in pleasing.
Ah, I thought I posted, but I must not have done it right. Miko definitely is a kisser. And has a long tongue. Kuma is not as much a kisser of the face, but loves to kiss arms, hands, legs. Funny.
Kuma doesn't bark much, once in a while. Maybe not as much as Ahi but more than Loa.
Sora likes to lick your hands/arms when you're scratching her ears, or if you're trying do to sit-ups, she encourages you by licking your face every time you come down.
Tenji is a major kissy face. He is super affectionate and gives kisses to everyone. He barks only when someone approaches the house or when he is talking to me.
Oh how sweet! Miko is a...Yana puppy? She's so loving.
Kei-kun is a bit of both, he likes to please but at the same time still has a little bit of an independent streak or is it curiousity? lol. He doesn't like to be cuddled (no restrains) but he does love to get in your face with the kissing <--- he'll be okay with a quick hug so long as two or all four feet are placed on the ground. He's not much of a barker, but he's an excellent alert dog. If there is someone familar approaching he'll give warning and then stop. If it is someone unknown he'll sound the alarm and he won't stop barking unless I go quiet him down with an "it's okay". Most of the time he is very quiet and "keeps to himself" in the crate or outside. So when he barks, it's gotta be important.
So here's a mean question: Would the owners of both shikoku + shiba prefer to be in a room full of shikoku, or a room full of shiba when a doorbell rings and a jogger in a turban with a beard pushing a baby carriage walks in? I'm just curious because I have always wanted a shikoku but all the shiba breeders I know that show abroad say they are so aggressive they are judged from a distance and they fight other dogs. I was somehow disuaded from getting a shikoku in the end and now I have 2 shiba. I happened to be walking in the park with the bitch when... a jogger in a turban with a beard pushing a baby carriage turned right in front of us and Beebe was teeth, barking, snarling, hackles, lunging, shiba screaming, etc...She bit my hand. That was just one shiba. So, please, other than having more energy, and after many exciting walks with the shiba, I doubt shikoku are worse in temperment than shiba as your shikoku all seem to be very good dogs. What are your thoughts on the above ?
Lindsay-Out of my three dogs. If I had to choose one to deal with an oncoming turbaned, bearded, stroller pushing jogger, I would pick my pit bull who would sit quietly unless I responded fearfully. Miko barks but shows absolutely no aggression to strangers or other dogs unless the dogs get in her space. Moto would bark if he felt threatened but has never shown his teeth at a human, ever.
I haven't had any trouble with my shikoku with unusual situations...she's very interested in new dogs (to the exclusion of welcoming humans), but with people she's always approachable. She walked right up to a girl in a motorized wheelchair (never been exposed to wheelchairs, let alone people moving around in them) - the girl came up, and Sora went over, and when the girl reached down to pet her, went up and gave her a kiss.
Jen it is funny you mention a wheelchair. The dogs just met their first wheelchair bound human. Piglet did great. Walked up and sat next to her so she could pet her. Moto got just within reach (he likes to act like he is doing someone a favor by ALLOWING them to pet him). Miko actually attempted to climb into the womans lap and was licking the whole time. I have never met a more outwardly affectionate breed in my life.
It has taken forever to get Nemo used to wheel chairs. My brother in law is in a manual one, and I have another good friend in a motorized one. Nemo really liked Mike (brother in law) when he was on the couch or laying in bed, but then would get nervous of him when he was in his chair. He likes my other friend just fine unless he is moving in his chair, I don't think he likes the unnatural motion of the motorized chair.
Whizzer is like Miko though, he always tries to jump right in their laps and get some loving.
At least with my limited experience with Shikoku (having a single male that is a year old), lindsayt, I would say that the Shiba breeders led you astray!! A lot astray! My Shikoku is so outwardly friendly and he LOVES, LOVES, LOVES all people. He really does not have an aggressive bone in his body towards people. He is a big kisser and lover and is good with everyone (young kids, older kids, adults, etc). A very charming dog! Actually, IMO, they are more outwardly open and friendly to new people than Shiba.
And the way Grandemu (who owns my guy's sister), Jessica and Brad all describe their Shikoku, the breed carries a lot of the same loving/friendly traits despite being from different lines and kennels.
The breeders I spoke with are obviously breed biased. Now I'm getting really interested in Shikoku again all of a sudden...maybe down the road when I'm sick of regular old shibas :)
Lindsayt, maybe these Shiba breeders actually haven't seen many Shikoku. There are only a handful in Europe and in North America. And the history has it that the Shikoku was used as an initial starting point for the Tosu Inu (crossed with a mastiff) to create a fighting dog. Maybe these breeders actually have not seen Shikoku and are only relaying the "history that they were used to create the fighting Tosu Inu". Shikoku can be dog agressive at times if not socialized, and can be reactive towards other dogs. But to people, the ones I have been exposed too are very friendly and loyal. The Fed Ex and UPS men love my Shikoku - as they have met him many times as they come in to drop off packages.
Other attribute comparisons between the 2 breeds. Shikoku are, in general, more obedient and willing to please than a Shiba (another difference). I don't find them all that high energy (all the time). I work from home and my Shikoku sleeps most of the day. Outside in the yard, he is active, but not crazy (although at times he gets the zoomies). On walks he is very energetic and can walk for a long while. He really loves his obedience (see the video below) and often offers it up to me as "play" -- I take that to mean that he enjoys it.
Kris, That's an impressive video of Kuma. It's hard to believe Kuma's only 11 months. While I wouldn't give up Ichi for the world with all his quirkiness, I've definitely got my eye on a Shikoku as a 2nd dog waaay in the future.
What was that last exercise you were doing to him? It reminds me of when a judge inspects a dog for conformation in a dog show?
Wow. Is that "standing for the exam" by a friendly stranger? Obedience is a must for my high drive shiba girl and I look for that outgoing, willing to please, high play/prey/toy drive in dogs because you can tell that they are just really enjoying themselves when they apply their talents to constructive purposes. Your shikoku all sound like motivated dogs that would be great to work with and good natured which isn't always easy to find in harmony in some breeds. Thanks for the info.
Jesse, Lindsay is right that it is the "stand for exam" by a stranger. Obviously in the video, there is no stranger. But the handler has to walk away at least 6 feet and the stranger comes and pats the dog on the head, the back and just above the tail. The dog is not supposed to move its feet or body. At least that is the goal! LOL
Yes, it is hard to believe that Kuma was only 11 months old. But he was/is like a little sponge and is really quick to learn and quick to perfect movements. He just really enjoys it (works well for just the praise from mom!). Food to train initially, but later he works only for the praise once he has learned it!
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I love the look of the Shikoku. How much does Miko weigh?
I will likely think of more. Brad has shikoku and shiba, and Heidi to I would be curious as to what they have to contribute.
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Shiba are way more high maintenance than a Shikoku. Shikoku have more horsepower than a Shiba tho, so when they get crazy they can knock stuff over and do some damage.
Loa NEVER barks, but Ahi is a barker - I would say barking is probably more likely in the Shikoku than the Shiba since they are "baying dogs".
Shikoku are mod def more willing to please than Shiba, but not as willing to please as Akita. Kai are the least interested in pleasing.
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It's really interesting to see how her coat colour has changed. What a pretty girl! Thanks for sharing Jessica. ~
Kuma doesn't bark much, once in a while. Maybe not as much as Ahi but more than Loa.
Kei-kun is a bit of both, he likes to please but at the same time still has a little bit of an independent streak or is it curiousity? lol. He doesn't like to be cuddled (no restrains) but he does love to get in your face with the kissing <--- he'll be okay with a quick hug so long as two or all four feet are placed on the ground. He's not much of a barker, but he's an excellent alert dog. If there is someone familar approaching he'll give warning and then stop. If it is someone unknown he'll sound the alarm and he won't stop barking unless I go quiet him down with an "it's okay". Most of the time he is very quiet and "keeps to himself" in the crate or outside. So when he barks, it's gotta be important.
Lindsay-Out of my three dogs. If I had to choose one to deal with an oncoming turbaned, bearded, stroller pushing jogger, I would pick my pit bull who would sit quietly unless I responded fearfully. Miko barks but shows absolutely no aggression to strangers or other dogs unless the dogs get in her space. Moto would bark if he felt threatened but has never shown his teeth at a human, ever.
Whizzer is like Miko though, he always tries to jump right in their laps and get some loving.
And the way Grandemu (who owns my guy's sister), Jessica and Brad all describe their Shikoku, the breed carries a lot of the same loving/friendly traits despite being from different lines and kennels.
Other attribute comparisons between the 2 breeds. Shikoku are, in general, more obedient and willing to please than a Shiba (another difference). I don't find them all that high energy (all the time). I work from home and my Shikoku sleeps most of the day. Outside in the yard, he is active, but not crazy (although at times he gets the zoomies). On walks he is very energetic and can walk for a long while. He really loves his obedience (see the video below) and often offers it up to me as "play" -- I take that to mean that he enjoys it.
That's an impressive video of Kuma. It's hard to believe Kuma's only 11 months. While I wouldn't give up Ichi for the world with all his quirkiness, I've definitely got my eye on a Shikoku as a 2nd dog waaay in the future.
What was that last exercise you were doing to him? It reminds me of when a judge inspects a dog for conformation in a dog show?
Thanks,
Jesse
Yes, it is hard to believe that Kuma was only 11 months old. But he was/is like a little sponge and is really quick to learn and quick to perfect movements. He just really enjoys it (works well for just the praise from mom!). Food to train initially, but later he works only for the praise once he has learned it!