A busy weekend: bad news and possibly good news

edited October 2008 in General
Well, this weekend was when I took Navi (Skella) to be evaluated for SAR. She wasn't accepted, mainly because she isn't independant enough (constantly looking to me for direction) and didn't have sufficient drive in all circumstances. She won't really play with anyone but me, so that's a big deal-breaker.

On the up side, I got to talking to the evaluators about Rakka, who I hadn't considered because she is snarky with other dogs, but they are willing to evaluate her and see if she'll do. She certainly has enough drive! She was definitely too dog aggressive when I got her, but I think living with other dogs and getting a bit older and more mellow has brightened the possibilities.

If not Rakka, then maybe the next dog I get. I told them I would just keep trying until I got in, haha.

Comments

  • edited November -1
    Well that's disappointing and kinda surprising, I thought Navi would do well.

    That would be very cool if you got Rakka to pass! Keep us posted!

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  • edited November -1
    Agreed with what Brad said. Good luck on the next go round!
  • edited November -1
    If at first you don't succeed, Try Try again!
  • edited November -1
    Awww, poor Navi. It's cause she loves her mother so much ;)

    Good luck with Rakka! :D~
  • edited November -1
    Um......hi. Can you explain for those of us who dont know what SAR is....(me).....what all that means?

    Thanks! :)
  • edited November -1
    Sorry... SAR stands for "search and rescue"
  • edited November -1
    oooooh! gotcha! I should have been able to figure that one out. DOH!
  • edited November -1
    Sad to hear that it isn't going to work for Navi, but don't give up!
  • edited November -1
    oh... I think I have a fix for this...

    [several minutes pass while I fumble around on my PC]

    Ok, there, now SAR is added to the Acronym list. :o)

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  • edited November -1
    That stinks that Navi is not able to do SAR... But hopefully Rakka will do well. :) Keep us updated on when you are going to take her for evaluation!
  • edited November -1
    Heeeeey Heidi - I'd love to hear your analysis on how you helped Rakka overcome her dog aggression. If you have time that is, and you can email it to me if you rather (shibaslave@gmail.com)

    SAR is intense! There is a GSD breeder local to me that breeds specifically for SAR training. I'm sure you will find a dog that excels at it - it might even be Rakka!
    How would Navi do with herding?
  • edited November -1
    I took Rakka to the dog run to see how she holds up against lots of strange dogs in a strange setting today and she did so awesome! There was a bit of snarkiness if there were too many dogs crowding around her, but nothing beyond a raised lip and some posturing.

    The only trouble is that she was too busy sniffing around to be terribly interested in playing fetch with the tennis ball... after doing the evaluation with Navi, I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing, though. I will email them.
  • edited November -1
    I'd love to hear about Rakka and overcoming dog aggression too, if you're willing to share.
  • edited November -1
    I'll start a new thread (after the kidlets are asleep). A lot of what I did is covered in the sticky about introducing new dogs.
  • edited November -1
    I don't mean to sound preachy, but...

    I dunno that I would call "a raised lip and some posturing" snarkiness. I would call that communication. She was telling the other dogs she didn't like being crowded. That is not "dog aggression/aggressive".

    It is really important that we don't over use / misuse terms like "aggression", "alpha", and "dominant". Lots of dogs get put down or given up to rescue because people don't understand that growling, showing teeth, and posturing are forms of communication and are natural between dogs.

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  • edited November -1
    I totally get what you mean, I didn't really mean "snarkiness" as a bad thing. I mean, if people crowded around me, I'd be snarky, too, but rightfully so. She did awesome, nothing wrong with her reactions to the other dogs at all. She was nervous at first, but after a while, she was running beside some other dogs and trying to follow them instead of coming with me when I wanted to leave.
  • edited November -1
    I agree 100% Brad!

    It's hard to explain to people that dogs are just communicating. Like with Ninja - when I heard him growl and snap at a dog for being in his face - I immediately thought "CRAP! I have an aggressive dog! What the hell do I do?" But then after TONS of research and reading...and being told by my behaviorist...Ninja is not an aggressive dog. He is mos def fearful, territorial and will defend himself if he feels threatened - but he is not out to kill just for the hell of it. He can tolerate things to a certain extent and then he gives warnings (growl, showing of teeth) when its getting to be too much for him.

    Like the first time I took Ninja to daycare for socialization. I went to pick him up and my behaviorist invited me into her office to show me how well he was doing with her dogs. One of her aussies came up to Ninja's face and Ninja growled. The aussie wouldn't back away so Ninja snapped. I immediately grabbed his lead and of course my behaviorist said "NO! DON'T DO THAT!" And then explained to me that it wasn't aggression - it was a correction. Her dog wouldn't back away after Ninja gave him a warning, so Ninja corrected him.

    A lot of people don't understand how dogs communicate...shit, I didn't! So even if your dog isn't aggressive and is just reactive or doesn't have patience for dogs who are over-excited or annoying - it's hard to explain to those people that your dog is not aggressive and just giving a correction. Most people think growling or showing of teeth equals aggression - I did!
  • edited November -1
    Exactly Romi! We had a similar evolution with Maui, and then Ahi and I just want to pass the knowledge on to others. Especially if it can help save some dogs from getting labeled as something as asinine as "dominant".

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    Heidi - I know you know that, I didn't mean to make you think I didn't think you knew that [I hope you can follow what I just wrote]. I have just become hyper-aware of the misuse of terms like "aggression" and I would like to try and keep this a place where people learn the truth about dog behavior and not "Dog Whisperer" type nonsense. Ya know? [not to imply you made a "Dog Whisperer" type comment]

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  • edited November -1
    It's cool. :)
  • edited November -1
    I completely agree. I've had to change the way I describe Jazz, she's not aggressive, she's reactive...even more so with a badly mannered dog.
  • edited November -1
    Well, they finally emailed me and said they were too "busy" to test Rakka :(. Now I'm super depressed. I'm kind of annoyed, too, because I really get the feeling that they were just trying to appease me when they said they'd test Rakka. I'm going to ask if I can test her next year, but she might be too old. The rule for age is that the dog has to be under three, and her birthday is in the fall and they do testing every fall, so she might just barely be three. I guess I'll wait and see.

    If not, then I guess I wait for the next dog. :( I want another shikoku puppy sometime in the nearish future, so... we'll see. Plus, I'll be breeding Navi and if one of her puppies gets accepted, I'll keep it.
  • edited November -1
    Oh man, I'm sorry to hear that Heidi. It sounds like you may not really want to associate with those people anyway. You'd think they would be happy to test another dog. Wouldn't it be in their interest to find as many capable and willing participants to help out? I feel your frustration. Grrrrrrrr.
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