Aggression problem?

edited December 2008 in Shiba Inu (柴犬)
My Takumi (neutered male) just turned 1 year old. He has a good friend called Alie, a female welsh cogie. They've known each other for about 6 months and they like to play together. The owner of Alie came over to my house tonight and we were having dinner. Then we heard the fight behind us. Takumi bit one of Alie's ears so hard that the tip of her ear partially separated. She was bleeding for a while after this. We were not paying attention to what they were doing, since we were eating, but we assume Alie tried to steal pig ear,Takumi's favorite, that he left on the floor. As a matter of fact, a similar incident happened between these two dogs a few months ago also (even though it was not as serious as this time, no bleeding involved). It was also a fight over the food. As I mentioned, they do like to play together. It seems their fight is always about the food. I've never seen Takumi as aggressive as today before. I have tried him to socialize with other dogs since I got him. I always take him to dog park and never had any problem so far. But this incident has made me think again. What should I do?

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  • edited November -1
    I guess if your dog is having food aggression, remove the food when guests come over? If he is territorial about his belongings, I think the best thing for you to do would remove the things so he isn't aggressive with them around.

    Not quite sure how you'd go about correcting food aggression ( or, least with pig ears ), though. Especially with other dogs. Does he growl if you put your hands into his dish while he eats or anything? :(
  • edited November -1
    Continue to socialize him, and keep high value items off the floor. Most of us with multiple dogs have had similar incidents. I wouldn't be too concerned. Many of us give our dogs bones/ears/special treats in separate area (rooms, crates, etc.) to avoid scuffles such as the one you have described. It is a shame about Alie's ear, but if in the future you keep an eye on them, and avoid having special toys and treats around for them to fight over, you should be alright.

    As far as shibas are concerned, everything is theirs, and sharing is not in their vocabulary.

    If you are really concerned, I would have a behaviorist assess him.
  • edited December 2008
    Ditto on what everyone has suggested...


    Food aggression and possession of high value resources such as pigs ears do create fights, even among very young puppies. Usually, it has little to do with how well socialized the dogs are generally or how well they play together normally.

    Evaluate what the triggers are for your dog. Keep all resources your dog highly values up and away from all animals and kids when you have guests. I would not suggest physical corrections for resource guarding.

    A good book to understanding some things about resource guarding is a book called “mine” by Jean Donaldson.

    If you need to evaluate things with some assistance, consider getting a consultation with a trainer or behaviorist. Usually you can schedule a meeting for one hour at a time to reflect on the issue at hand.

    It really is hard to diagnose a behavior without seeing it directly, this is where a trainer can help since they come to observe first hand.

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  • edited November -1
    Like Jessica said, it's pretty common for stuff like that to happen. Don't worry too much about it or think that your dog has a major aggression problem or anything. It's hardwired into them to be possessive of food and other high-value items. Obviously, you don't want it to happen again, so just prevent situations where fights might happen and keep socialising him.

    Rakka was really possessive when we first got her. No dog was allowed to have anything if she was in the room, as far as she was concerned. I just kept all valued items away unless I was closely supervising them. I had them all practice eating/chewing on things in the same room at a respectable distance. Now, the other dogs can take things right out of her mouth and she doesn't even care. In fact, she's the least possessive of all three of them now. Takumi might never get to that point, but that's okay. Some owners of multiple dogs separate them for feeding and special treats for their whole lives, even though the dogs get along fine otherwise. If all they ever fight over is food, that's actually pretty convenient since it's easy to control when there's food around.

    Also, a knick on the ear can seem a lot worse than it really is. Dogs can accidentally knick each other on the face when they're giving corrections and having an "argument" and ears seem to bleed quite a bit. Not that any kind of fight is ever acceptable, but don't think that Takumi is an "aggressive" dog because of this. Dogs that intend to really hurt each other usually end up at the vet getting stitches or worse.
  • edited November -1
    Agreed that it was a high value item issue. Nemo cannot have pig ears at all, he will even go after the cats when we give him one. Bones cannot be on the floor when his friends come over either.
  • edited November -1
    You've gotten great advice so far. Please look into learning about how to approach and overcome his resource guarding around other dogs.

    If we have doggy friends come over, all treats, bones and toys come up. Its too much of a risk between my greedy shibas and other dogs!
  • edited December 2008
    Thanks for all great advice to all. I am glad I posted my qiestion here in this forum. I learned a lot. Resource gurding...... I see...... It was MY fault that I left pig ear, even some bones on the floor.

    BTW, I feel so bad for Alie. This might be a stupid question......Can Alie's ear be attached again when it heels? The size of the cut she's got on her ear is almost about a half inches. Right now the owner of Alie puts her ear some gauze with surgical tape just to protect the wound.
  • edited November -1
    Don't beat yourself, we all learned it too. You just have to make sure you did learn the lesson :-)

    Has Alie been to the vet? Wouldn't hurt, just to check it.
    From my experience, the more you put on a dog's wound, the more he/she cares about it and tries to undo it. Granted that the ears aren't an easy access place for them.
  • edited November -1
    Is the aggression with toys/food only with other dogs? Or does Takumi act that way towards you or other humans when they try to take the toy/food away? If it's just towards other dogs, I would do what the others said and remove all high valued items from the room.

    Aww..Poor Alie. I agree with Rui, don't beat yourself up...everyday is a new learning experience. And I would probably take her to the vet...just to make sure she doesn't get an infection and maybe they will be able to re-attach her ear.
  • edited November -1
    Sorry, I missed the part that the ear almost came undone. Then I'd really take her to the vet ASAP. They'd be able to say better than anyone if or what can be done to that ear.
  • edited November -1
    Agreed with all said. My girls LOVE and covet pigs ears but they are no longer allowed in our house. It is the only time there has been huge fights between them. We have bones all over the house and no matter how many are in front on Niko, she will always want the one that Sasha has. We all had to learn what can and cannot be done with our monsters by trial and error.
  • edited November -1
    Everyone has given you great advice. I will just add that Mika isn't aggressive at all but she is possessive. As Rachael said, no matter how many toys are in the floor when Mika and her friend Ezo (my friend's Shiba) plays, they always go after the same one. Luckily, it has only been toys that they bicker over so neither wants it bad enough to fight. They usually just lay in the floor together and chew on opposite ends of said toy. I wouldn't be too worried unless, like others have mentioned, Takumi is food aggressive towards humans as well as dogs and not just with high-valued food items such as pig ears but with all food. See how he responds to you in a similar situation and you should have your answer as to whether you should just be more careful or hire a behaviorist. Good luck and let us know!
  • edited December 2008
    Thank you all again for all the grat advice.
    He does not glowl or nothing even when I put my hand into his dish. If I try to take away the bones he is chewing on, he runs away with it in his mouth, but I don't see anything like aggressive expression. For the time being I will be more careful when both the food or treats AND other dogs are around him.
    As everyone says, I did learn a lesson this time.
  • edited November -1
    We can take things from the pups any and every time, but when it comes to each other...not always the same.
  • edited November -1
    I think the first thing to do is keep an eye on your dogs whenever there are visiting dogs about. And as Rachael pointed out, a pups behavior changes in different social environments.
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