RIDICULOUS.

edited January 2009 in General
Steph & I [ & I think a couple of other forum members ] frequent a website called Deviantart.com It is an excellent site where people can post their art; photos, drawings, paintings, sculptures, crafts, etc.

Well, one of the more "popular" artists on there posted this picture & the following;

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"[...] At beginning, Aria got oestrum (is that right word?) too early and it happen too fast. We have a very good and trusted vet, she was caring and controling Aria's pregnancy. She was a bit suprised how she came very early pregnant, and last 3 days before birth on sled dogs confusing thing was they couldnt detect that she has puppies or not and why have milk- they said and were sure thats (i dont know how is called in english) "illusionaire pregnancy" (po polsku, ciaza urojona co jest zjawiskiem popularnym u szczeniat) what means young dogs are pretending to be pregnant which is really not. Her behaviour was pretty normal, she was mushing well and here is pic how she looked a day ago: [link]
Could you tell is she pregnant with six puppies a day before birth?

Today, I wanted go for a dog walk, and i see her with puppies. Everyone were shocked. The rest of story you know- lets skip it.

At evening we sat down on round glassy table, me, my parents and came to us vet and my aunt who is breeder and belongs to animal society rights- to make decisions what else. My parents were really sad and seen puppies.. would love to keep them.. the small and living form is really beautiful. The discussion took us 2 hours, and the best solution and decision is to put them down. There are many many reasons, except of that we cannot keep puppies because of bad conditions and our job activity. And woman who is from animal society and rights, she said most troublematic part is what else we can to do when after 2 months. The fact is, the our world, especially in my country is really serious problem with abandoned dogs, especially giving away for FREE puppies which arent pure breed may end badly.

1. Shelters, are.. cruel. Here in Poland are not good rights (at least not better than in america) for animals and thats true. They get many and many responses who would take a dog for new house or shelter (..). Just overally the problem is serious.
2. Animal abuse, it is. Sad but true is, no respect of mixed dogs. If you give for free a dog, you dont know to whom he'd come. And hes mix, I ve seen owners who abused them. I must agree with [link] and thats a lot. If you sell pure breed dog for money, then you have high chances because they will take care- thats just breed dog and you paid money! Money, beauty whatever is trendy rules mostly. Thats pretty sad.
3. Of course on da, through offers there is absolute no guarantee they would take a pup- you may change mind and i dont know who are you. Though, i didnt get much offers. I realized after all they are right, the hardest part was to do what else when pups will grow and who'd take them? We called to some industries and friends earlier and despite of their cuteness and beauty they didnt want them.
4. And final most important issue is, Aria's health. She is 8 month pup, and this may be very difficult for her. She may not handle, her organism is too young and she looked.. terrible. I was observing her with pups she is good mother but cant handle some puppies were cold and away of her >_From what I understand, the artist's Greenland Dog accidentally got pregnant & had puppies. As the puppies are "mixed breed" & they can't keep the puppies, [ financial reasons & think if they gave the pups away they'd be abused, apparently ] they decided to euthanize all six healthy puppies. Furthermore, when people have told her "It's sad, but your fault that you didn't spay her!" or "Are you planning on spaying her?" She replies that she's going to use the dog in future breedings.
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UGHHHHH! People like this make me SOOO MAD!!!!! How could someone do something like this? Is it just me, or does this seem so...wrong??~

Comments

  • edited November -1
    Some people are really backwards.
  • edited November -1
    "They are still unformed and doesn't have minds of life and will feel nothing while die. "

    This part really pissed me off, it's like saying since they are babies they don't have thoughts or feelings.
  • edited November -1
    oooh, haha. Pearleden.

    I never really liked her. :X
    I find that totally irresponsible. She should spay her dog, because obviously if she couldn't control her dog getting pregnant, then uhm. She should not breed dogs. At all.
  • edited November -1
    Agree with Steph - not enough knowledge to keep the dog from getting pregnant, not enough knowledge to breed. And it sounds like they have neither the appropriate conditions or funds to take care of the puppies, so how would future breedings go?? Dumb.
  • edited January 2009
    I actually ended up posting a little comment on her journal thing. You'd be surprised how many people were sympathising for her, because she saved these puppies from suffering ( and put them out of their misery ) and still has plans to breed her Greenland dog, because purebreds are worth money and 'if people pay money, they'll take better care of the animal because it is purebred'. I'm not sure what world she comes from where people pay for money, and everyone takes better care of their pets because they're purebred. People will be people, and some people are cruel.

    But, I gave advice, I just hopes she takes it, instead of her idiot followers to 'come to her rescue' and tell me that i'm a rude liar or something. Everyone else who said she was wrong to do that got flamed by her watchers for posting mean things about her dog and her. :)

    I really dislike popular people on that website, all they do is brainwash people.
  • edited November -1
    Yeah, I think that's what pissed me off the most! For every comment disagreeing with her, 200 people agreed. Ridiculous :\


    It just makes me so sad...~
  • edited November -1
    Oh, her art REALLY isn't that great. Anatomy = non existent. & it pisses me off how so many people are starting to imitate it now. People have no creativity :\ ~
  • edited November -1
    I understand that if the pups won't be cared for or adopted or would be neglected, than the kindest thing may be to euthanize them. However, what business does she have ever breeding again following that horrible choice? I would understand if they were deformed, but it should be a big clue that if she can't find homes for these or afford their care, she should spay the bitch or the same thing will happen again since she isn't exactly an eagle-eye at spotting a skinny dog being in whelp.
  • edited November -1
    her art looks like "furry" art. A lot of Furry enthusiasts I've seen draw in a similar way, except it looks like the inspiration comes from the artwork of "Zelda:Twilight Princess".
  • edited November -1
    Hmm, it does look like "Furry" art. Furry enthusiasts are weird.
  • edited November -1
    Well, technically ... her art is not furry art. xD A lot of artists get offended when people say that.

    Furry art is more Anthro than anything. Though, most normal Anthro artists hate when people call them furries. Furry art is nestled deep into Anthro art, pretty much the shunned forbidden corner of Anthro. xD

    Though, her style does lack correct anatomy. I think shes just playing off her friend kankakanka's style. Or, thats how it was at first. Kankakanka got better, Pearleden stayed behind in the dust. I personally think that Pearl is full of crap, i'm glad no one has flamed my statement yet. ;) Got two positive comments back on it, though.

    This is what I had posted in her journal;
    "I'm sorry but I am seriously far from convinced. :(

    I read you have plans to breed Aria when she is of age. Most dogs don't become of age until 2 years old, and this is the best time to breed most dogs because there is less risk.

    Honestly, you should be lucky that Aria had no complications giving birth.

    If you cannot detect when Aria goes into her next 3 or so heat cycles, you should just get her spayed now. You are risking her health by keeping her intact. If you want to breed for purebred puppies to make money, then you seriously need reconsider why you are breeding in the first place.

    Reputable breeders breed purebred dogs to better the breed, not because they are rare and will make them lots of money or because they are in high demand.

    If you are trying to prove that you can be a reputable breeder, get her into showing, and backup her pedigree. Otherwise, her being purebred is only useful to people who don't do their research when seeking out puppies."

    Now, lets just hope she actually reads my comment, and knocks some sense into herself, instead of hiding behind her fans. :X
  • edited November -1
    Someone comments,

    "I do not understand why if you did not want her to have puppies you didnt get her spayed in the first place?? Also if your vet was any good they would have detected the pregnancy early enough to do an abortion so they poor momma didnt go through all that only to have her babies die. I am just confused but I also need to realize that you are in another country and things are different. I am so sorry for the mother dogs loss and hope she is ok :heart: But please get your pets fixed if you do not want babies."

    She replies..."she is registered dog for breeding for order (for musher's special orders) so i cannot fix, and abortion is same as death of puppies which born."



    Can't change the world :\ ~
  • edited November -1
    Wow, that is really sad.
  • edited November -1
    This is unpleasant, but since it was mentioned, in-utero euthanasia is very different from euthanasia of a "born" animal. The dam is prepared as if for a spay and knocked out, and the fetuses (as they are), are anesthatized and at that point usually regarded as brain impaired due to the overdose of anesthesia combined with lack of O2. The euthanasia solution is injected into their shared blood supply while they are still in the comfort of the womb so they are not stressed and they don't feel anything. It's terribly sad but I don't consider it cruel. Killing a perfectly healthy screaming puppy that has been allowed to live is cruel I think, even if euthanasia solution is used. It seems very wrong even if there is no hope of a good future for the pup.
  • edited November -1
    You'd think there would be some sled dog enthusiasts that would take the puppies. I mean, if I had a shikoku that accidentally got pregnant, I would send the word out in the shikoku community and find suitable homes for them. I wouldn't charge money for them, I'd just make sure they went to good homes.
  • edited November -1
    This is kind of related and I need to get it off my chest anyway...

    As some of you may remember, my boyfriend's dad and his wife decided to breed their ACD, so they bought a female who became "accidentally" pregnant in her first heat. There were so many things wrong with the entire situation, the male had a history of seizures, the female was unregistered and obviously came from a non-reputable breeder, they were in it to make money, etc... They had a litter of 7 pups. They had a very tough time selling them, and I wasn't surprised. Sure, they were cute as small puppies, but who wants to pay for a 4 month old poorly bred, improperly raised, not housebroken or even remotely trained dog? Of a breed that has a high energy requirement, no less?

    At 6 months old they had two male pups and one female pup left. It was pretty obvious that both the dam and the female pup were going into heat. I told boyfriend's stepmom (his dad hates these dogs now, since they've ruined his house, been such a financial burden, and been just generally irritating) to at the very least get the females spayed immediately. She replies, "We're going to get Kiba(the dam) fixed soon, but I'm not sure if I want to get Grace (female pup) fixed. Our vet doesn't want to spay her now anyway." I told her that if they weren't spayed, and soon, they were going to get pregnant. She said that the vet didn't want to spay Grace because she was too close to going into heat. I did some research after that, and it seems that vets can spay even if the dog is in heat, though I don't think that's recommended. There should have been no problems with spaying those dogs. Even if there was, they should have got the males neutered.

    I was there on New Year's Eve, 4 months later. They still have one male pup and the female pup. The sire and male pup are definitely not neutered. I heard her say to someone else that she's certain the female pup is pregnant, and they were going in for an ultrasound to confirm. She said the vet told her inbreeding in dogs is not as bad as human inbreeding because it happens all the time. I am really not liking the sound of this vet. I think she may have mentioned something about in-utero euthanasia, but I'm not quite certain. On one hand I think that would probably be best for the pups, but on the other hand, I hope they don't go that route and are stuck with another litter of pups, which they won't be able to find homes for, and it might finally teach them a lesson. I desperately hope they are not able to screw up any more animals' lives.
  • edited November -1
    That is really awful. The vet may have discouraged her as they were best able but she probably couldn't take a clue. Otherwise, what a rotten vet practice to encourage people to inbreed dogs.
  • edited November -1
    Yeah, I second Lindsay :(


    UGH//People make me SICK. ~
  • edited November -1
    OMG!! That is awful!! That made my heart hurt. People make me sick too!!! What is wrong with some people?!!!!
  • edited November -1
    ugh. people are evil sometimes. wow. where is the happy thread...
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