Strength Training and Conditioning Tips?

**I know this can be a controversial subject. So, for the record, I want to make sure it is clear that we consider Kona's health [mental and physical] to be the most important thing and would not do anything to jeopardize it.**

As you guys know we pack with Kona. I have also started to do some pulling [mushing] work with him too. He is an amazing athlete and has great muscle tone and definition. He also has amazing endurance.

The only place I would like to see improvement is in his chest, I would like him to "fill out" a bit more in his chest. I have been told, by a trusted resource who wouldn't abuse their dogs in any way, that weight pulling can help to do this. I think this would help him in mushing as well.

So, I curious if anyone has done any type of weight pull strength training about with their dogs or knows of any good [safe] methods/resources. I'm also curious to hear your opinions and thoughts on the subject.

*Please note: I am not looking to have him pull 2500lb or anything, I am interested in conditioning and not so much body-builder strength training.

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Comments

  • edited November -1
    I haven't done any strength training with any animals by any means, but I once watched horse racing on TV, where the announcers mentioned that owners/handlers would take the horses swimming to increase their endurance and stamina.

    As food for thought, is Kona a good swimmer? Maybe you can have him do swimming to get his conditioning up and it would be much easier on joints.

    Jesse
  • edited November -1
    The only weight Kuma pulls is my own ;-P

    Now seriously, swimming could be a real option, if he's not afraid of water or anything of the sort. I guess right now it's not doable though.
    For weight pulling, I'm sure you have this covered, but get him a good harness, that won't put added stress on his chest and shoulders. If you need to have something on your property "plowed", maybe Kona could do it. Not a real plow, like the ones horses pull because I'm guessing that would be too much for him, at least to start with, but something anchor-like that will resist his pull a bit.
  • edited November -1
    Ahh, wish I could offer some really useful advice for you Brad!


    Just a question, Kona's still pretty young right? Maybe he'll fill out a bit more on his own? :) ~
  • edited November -1
    From what I've heard, weight pulling is similar to human weight lifting. You start out with a small amount and build up to the amount you want to be able to lift. I've heard of tournaments where they could see how far a dog can pull a certain amount of weight in a certain amount of time. I wish I could find it, but I saw a video on the Greater Swiss Mountain Dog that had a whole thing about weight pulling and the weight pulling tournament. They would weigh and measure each dog to determine the max amount of weight that dog is allowed to pull. Even had a mini-tournament for training puppies, they didn't pull much more than 5lbs.
  • edited November -1
    Kona may fill out a bit more on his own, but I think a little conditioning would help.

    Swimming is a GREAT idea - thanx! I will look into places that might let me do that.

    As for weight pulling, I am not interested in competing or anything and I don't want him to pull massive amounts of weight. I am more interested in endurance type conditioning... maybe I should have him pull smaller amounts of weight for longer distances. hmm.

    I have seen some weight pull competition videos, it's pretty amazing how much dogs can pull. Some of the techniques are pretty cruel tho [like using compulsion training techniques to get them to pull].

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  • edited November -1
    Ok, I know Rui started going there so I'll keep it going ... Let Kona have his way with Jen at the other end of a leash, then have him work up to you! OK, just kidding!

    I'm thinking those Alaskans and Canadians (and maybe some Minnesotans) who raise sled dogs with visions of the Iditarod could have some ideas for you on this question. Check for a Website, or know someone with sled doggies to ask for advice?

    I know Josephine has lots and lots of energy ... I am astounded at her speed when she thinks there a partridge or a rabbit to be had, even in the deep snow more than chest deep. And her endurance is incredible --- her speed was amazing after being outdoors with us for a couple hours slogging through the deep snow (mostly she was ahead of us, not following in our snowshoe tracks). We have not had any sort of a pack on her, or tried the skijoring, etc. But the skijoring might be a way to start working on his strength training --- if you don't know about it, it is kind of a variation on the idea above. The difference is that you are on skis (cross-country, not downhill or snowboards), and so Kona has some help with pulling the weight. Its pretty popular here in MN and you can find some Internet information about it (obviously the perfect time of year for that with the snow at your elevation).

    I also think that just going through the deep snow with you (perhaps you on snowshoes or skis, and he has no weight, nor is he "tethered" to you as in skijoring) would build up a huge amount of strength all throughout his body because of the snow depth and the need to work all his muscles just to break a trail.

    As you and others indicated, I would use caution --- Kona is still young ang grwoing --- go slowly with regard to weight and duration! It is amazing what a 40-50 pound dog can accomplish and the amazing stamina!

    Best of luck with the "buffing up" of Kona... Can't wait to see the pics!
  • edited November -1
    OK! I found two articles that might be interesting for you Brad. [ I don't know if you've seen them. ]

    This first one is meant for pointing breeds. I think his method might be a bit "controversial" in that he..."roads" his dogs.

    This second one is meant for Pit Bulls. I think this article makes a little more sense.


    Hope that was some kind of help. I can deffinitely say I've added a bit more knowledge to my repertoire though lol ~
  • edited November -1
    Oh, & a third article linked from the 2nd...also for pits. ~
  • edited January 2009
    & Weight Pull training also for pits... ~
  • edited November -1
    If swimming isn't a readily available option. What about drafting/carting? How cute would it be to see Kona carting around Masha or Ahi in her crate since Ahi's confined?

    Jesse
  • edited November -1
    Osy is on the right track with the pit bull conditioning site. There are competitions for Pits/AmStaffs out there for pulling weights and other types of hard work like that. If you want him pulling weight you will need to get him a proper harness and all that sort of stuff. It seems like this type of training is something that Kona would enjoy.
  • edited November -1
    I always said Kona had a pittie body. I know you would never do anything that wasn't in some way enhancing your dogs life. And no one researches the way you do. So if you decide to do it, it well be done well.
  • edited November -1
    I think Rui may have a point... (even though he was joking)

    What about taking Kona rollerblading? While I have never done this, I have seen many people working their dogs out in this manner. People say that it works out great for their dogs endurance.

    Or maybe wagon pulling, with adding a bit of weight each day?
  • edited November -1
    I am not accomplished enough on skiis to hitch myself up behind the Laiki. Besides, we don't get enough snow for such things in VA.

    If you want to maximize endurance, bike Kona. You can have him trot beside the bike or with appropriate equipment (harnesses and ganglines) he can pull.

    See www.dogscooter.com

    I attended a cross-training class for athletic dogs (herders/agility) and we did a bunch of stuff with the inflatable physioballs, bosu balls, tilt boards etc. There were core strengthening exercises (no joke!) and other exercises designed to increase flexibility and prevent injury. Proprioceptive skills and body awareness type stuff (some dogs are clueless that they actually have a rear end!)
    Kinda fun...I took it mostly for my own interest and Triepak was happy to try anything that involved chicken. I will have to rummage around for my notes, but I can get you further details if you are interested.
  • edited November -1
    I used to rollerblade with my huskies since all they wanted to do was pull. It was great exercise for both of us! They really enjoyed it. I got sledding harnesses for them and used those to pull me down the street. (we lived on side streets with NO traffic :). They really got to "do their job" and we all had a blast...
  • edited November -1
    Lol, my Akita pulls me around on my skateboard... I also made a little buggy thing that allowed me to do so as well.

    My friend has a pitbull that he ties to a cinder block and he just pulls that thing around, it's pretty funny.
  • edited November -1
    Thanx for all the links, thoughts, and info guys!

    I have pulling and mushing harnesses for Kona, Loa, and Ahi. I also have all the skijoring equipment except for Skis. lol. I plan to buy some skis this year, tho it will depend on $$$ since we have a lot of fence work to do this year [$$$$$$$$].

    I also have been thinking of getting the attachment for my bike that will allow Kona to run next to me, I plan to do that when the snow is gone.

    I LOVE rollerblading, but that's a no-go around here. There are very few paved roads that are safe to Rollerblade on. :o\ When I was in ATL I tried it with Ahi, it didn't go great but I think I needed a longer line and more space.

    I have also considered getting a used Mountain Board that I would ride while the pups pulled me - that would be a more all terrain solution for me. I just have never done that before and may end up braking myself [I am 31 now]. lol.

    So that is really my issue, I can't mush Kona right now due to not having skis, not being able to bike, and etc. So I wanted some type of exercise I could do with him during the "down time" we have right now - something that would keep him in shape and maybe even add a bit of endurance, strength, and core conditioning on him.

    Sarah - Is this the type of thing you did? I was reading that article last night, it looked very interesting. If you have any other info like this I would be interested in reading about it! Thanx!

    Anyway, I think you guys have really helped me - I will continue my research and will keep you posted on the results. :o)

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  • edited November -1
    You should make a post or blog post totally dedicated to mushing with your dogs. I'd be super interested in that! I haven't done any mushing since I find that my scooter doesn't work so well on gravel roads. It's better for paved pathways or at least harder, more packed earth. I really really want one of those three-wheeled dry-mushing rigs, but I need a couple more dogs before I do that. Plus, they're pretty expensive.

    For conditioning, you can try the flirt pole with a bungee in it. I talked about how I made one of those somewhere... or a tug-toy attached from an over-hang with a bungee.
  • edited November -1
    Hondru, just a thought for you...We've been training Tikaani, and eventually some bigger dogs of friends and family, to mush. Hard to do here since most people think your talking about potatos. But we actually got an old go-kart off craigslist that we are gonna gut and use. Got it for like $100, and it has everything you need in a rig. Just an Idea
  • edited November -1
    I can see you doing this Brad :P



  • edited November -1
    Did anyone else notice the size of the houses in the background? Holy crap!

    Not to be too serious, but that rig didn't really look like a good idea. Did you notice how the dogs were both sorta pulling away the whole time? I don't think they were all that comfortable being so close to the wheels. Good idea, poor execution.
  • edited November -1
    I just thought it was funny. I don't think I would ever do that with a dog. Rollerblading is one thing, but that whole contraption is a little nuts.
  • edited November -1
    Kristin: Funny video and love the music! What I don't get about it,though, is I thought the idea was for the dogs to pull, not be sort of dragged along or be forced to keep up with the vehicle!

    Anyway, variation on the theme --- we took Josephine out on a paved bike trail out in the country one day when she was just under a year. We found that she was content to trot or gallup, in front of us, leading the way, all the way! Much to our surprise, she kept it up for about 6 miles, almost non-stop! I admit it --- she was off-leash, and she was only distracted a couple times when she flushed birds up that were close to the trail.

    Anyway, so I think for the most part the doggies will be delighted with some walk or run involving you, the owner, and some hard work for them. I shared this post with my husband, and he reiterated the idea of going for a walk through the deep snow (at least 18 inches or so), and if there is anything for the dog to flush up or focus on he will build all kinds of strength and endurance plowing throught that snow without any other "aids" or weights. I'd advise the snowshoes for that one!
  • edited November -1
    Yeah, sorry Kristin. I didn't mean to be too serious. I was just curious if anyone else read it the way I did. Sorry to be a buzz kill. :-/
  • edited November -1
    One of our clients does weight pulling/scootering/sulky races and harness racing with her rotts and cane corso. The newest tool they have that I like as it is designed for crappy trails such as are found here in the Northwest is the Pawtrekker: http://www.dogscooter.com/ScootersCatalog.htm
    I tried it out at the dog show at a mushing booth and it rocked. Downside is the cost, about $450-$550 but it seems to be worth it. The harnesses are the cheap part. You have to get the right size harness or the dog will get rib bruises and bone bruising on the shoulder blades. The traditional x back sled racing harness is good if the dog is the same height as where he is attached to and if the gang-line isn't going to be pulled up or down. The other square/trail harness are better if the dog will be pulling at an angle, the gangline goes up, like if it was attached to your waist or scooter and the dog was a smallish dog.
    I am using old bicycle tires on Beebe, she has a trail harness and drags some tires around on walks attached to a gangline. Not all the time. I'm sure there is a science to it that I don't yet know. I got a crappy little Diggler that she (tries) to pull, bless her, but she is more interested in looking for vermin. Before you get them pulling, it's easier if you have the dog trained to some verbal commands, like "Line out", "walk on/on by" and "gee" or "haw". I had reservations about conditioning Ike and Beebe on a treadmill as it only teaches them one movement, so I like the idea of cross training better. Ike also needs to develop his chest, I'm hoping some uphill running, agility and mild pulling will help. So far until I buy the Pawtrekker, the tires are better than nothing.
    Side note: when I was growing up, we used to harness our dogs to a cart and they occasionally hauled our wood for us.
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