Foundation Stock Service (FSS)

I was just flipping thru some info on Foundtion Stock registration for rare breeds in America, and saw that Kai and Kishu are listed in AKCs FSS working group, on their way to Miscellaneous class recognition. The Jindo however, is listed in the FSS non sporting group. In the meantime, these breeds are not eligable to compete in the breed ring, but they are welcome to enter into companion/working events like tracking, hunt trials, agility and obedience. There is even a Kishu who has acheived a Rally Novice title.

What are people's opinions about registering foreign rare breeds (such as the Shikoku) with American registration bodies for dogs that reside in growing numbers in America? How should these rare breeds be allowed to have the experience of being reliably evaluated as good breeding stock and superbly tempered healthy companions if not being actively worked, trialed and/or evaluated for conformation thru an official body? If authorities of these breeds chose not to go thru American registration bodies for whatever reasons, then unaffiliated breed specific clubs should be hosting these events and giving their own evaluations, correct? Thoughts? Ideas? (wink-What's the Shikoku club planning these days? :)

Comments

  • edited November -1
    I just had a good conversation with Carleen Newman of Kishu Ken-nel about this. I asked her why she wants the Kishu Ken recognized by the AKC, and what her hopes and vision are.

    If I may paraphrase a little, she said that she figured it was inevitable that the Kishu would be recognized by the AKC. Sooner, or later. She is concerned for the health of the breed and doesn't want to see the breed have the kind of problems that a lot of AKC breeds have had, with title-interested breeders engaging in breeding practices that focus on producing conformance champions every season when they should be concerned about health and temperment as well.
  • edited November -1
    Right now, we would like to establish a strong Shikoku Club first. Then we'll throw AKC back on the table. There was a previous topic concerning this. It's buried somewhere here on the forums. So long as we have a strong breed club, I think the Shikoku will be just fine -smiles-.
  • edited November -1
    Also, UKC does recognize the Shikoku and you can compete in obedience and in conformation. And UKC is about as old of a US registry as AKC.
  • edited May 2009
    A strong breed club is imperative. This can get really ugly. Read here for an example:
    http://www.netpets.org/dogs/newsroom/akcfss1.html

    Also there was some big hoopla circa 2000-2001. The AKC RETRACTED their policy which allowed some FSS breeds to participate in performance events. Many people I knew were furious and petitioning since they had worked hard to train and compete with their dogs in events and suddenly have the rug pulled out from them (so to speak), with nowhere to go to complete their titles.

    There are many that believe that AKC recognition = demise of breed...

    Here is a blog that discusses rare breed issues in the US as individuals attempt to move towards full AKC acceptance.
    http://raredogs.blogspot.com/
  • edited November -1
    I agree, a strong breed club is essential in helping to direct the path the breed takes. I had no idea the FSS issue was so controversial. I was just sort of wondering how Shikoku, for instance, could trial in the US if AKC is not a goal at this time.
  • aykayk
    edited November -1
    The issue about the Jindo being in the AKC FSS right now did not meet the approval of many long-time Jindo owners in the US. Even those of us who were pro-AKC recognition (which wasn't me) realized that a strong parent club needed to be form before this could be even be considered.

    Unfortunately, there was a faction in Korea, the UK, and the US that decided to approach the AKC, and the AKC was entirely amendable to adding a new breed in hopes of plugging their declining registration numbers. The export colony consists of 6 founders in the UK which were transported in 2002. The few AKC FSS dogs in the US are from the UK dogs. Their main speal is that their dogs are "the only official dogs from Jindo island" and that Crufts was the first time a Jindo was shown outside of Korea. Neither is true.

    Dogs have been leaving the island with governor-stamped Jindo Island certificates since the mid-1980's (with US owner addresses on them), and there was even a big import group to Los Angeles of 20 puppies in the late 1990's. For sure, people continued to import from additional sources, like the KNDA, the KJDA, the KKC, and KJCCA, but these dogs at least looked like Jindos more than the UK import group and they still had pedigrees traced back to "jindo-sans" or unknown dogs from Jindo island. There is still an obscure way to get these dogs AKC FSS recognized, but other than wanting to confound the faction, why would I want to aid in the demise of my breed that much more faster?

    There were annual breed shows up until last year, whereby a Jindo judge was flown in from Korea to judge dogs. We even had the head judge of the Jindo Island show come and judge, and he brought award certificates from the island. I would rather count the opinion of these Korean Jindo judges who have seen hundreds of Jindos over an AKC judge who most likely will never see more than 5 Jindos in his/her life.
  • edited November -1
    We have A LOT of Jindo in our shelters in California. I have also seen an abnormal amount of Jindo mixes that have been in rescue. You can always find them on Petfinder and our local shelter which is right around the corner from me that I have volunteered at for the last four years always has at least one or two.

    It has always seemed strange to me that people have denied the existence of Jindo in the US, but I can see one almost everyday down at the park. Thanks for clearing up that confusion for me. They are cute pups with A LOT of energy! :)
  • aykayk
    edited November -1
    Yep, I know about the shelter Jindo/Jindo mixes since I do breed rescue with Jindos. There just aren't enough foster homes for them though, and it takes a long time to place a Jindo once they are in foster care. Most need to go as the only pet in a home. It also doesn't help that the economy is bad. :-(
  • edited November -1
    Are there really tons of Jindos in the US, but at the same time nobody in the AKC knows what the breed standard really is, or is it just that the Jindo is such an uberprimitive breed that lots of mutts happen to look a lot like them?
  • aykayk
    edited November -1
    There is a fair amount of Jindos in the US. Remember, Jindos have been coming over since the 1980's.

    The AKC FSS really doesn't discriminate based on appearance. They are pedigree-driven.

    For breed standards, there are a multitude in Korea, but the worst standard I've read is the The Kennel Club standard for Jindos (the standard for Jindos in the United Kingdom). It completely deviates from any Korean standard I've read and even the FCI standard. Hopefully the people registering their Jindos with the AKC FSS are not going to try to use the KC standard.

    As for comparing Jindos to primitive breeds/mutts, it only appears that way until people learn to train their eyes. Just like how some people think of Shibas as foxes (which hardly does) or probably your Shikokus as coyotes (which they don't really), people have to train their eyes to pick out Jindos from Chow/Shepherd mixes or pariah dogs.
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