behavior at times going out

edited July 2010 in Behavior & Training
The question I want to pose concerns my akita Bill, and his behavior at the times when he is due for a walk. From what I understand akitas have to be out AT LEAST two times a day (that's good for any dog breed, if not three times), but this one, though still a puppy, does not seem like he has to go out more than once a day. So my question is : is that ok? has anybody ever experienced an akita that can keep and hold what the dog has to do outside for more than 24 hours?
He Has been like that pretty much since the time when we first brought him into our house. He was then three months old, grown up on a farm with perhaps not very loving or caring foster parents, and then suddenly he came to our city. We live in Amsterdam, a city, though small, still with a lot of noises and construction going on. So he balked from the beginning, it was difficult then to get him him to walk, but partially forcing (and that was perhaps a mistake) and partially with cajoling we had him going. Now he is 17 months old, but by an unfortunate coincidence he has seen fireworks, and on top of it my daughter, 11 years old, whom he seemed to trust the most before, has been away for some 7 days, and now he seems completely at a loss. He was going out and seemed even better walking while she was away (and then i thought: oh, it is because she is away, and does not make any hassle like any other 11 years old, I suppose) but than she came back and now he absolutely refuses to go out of the house unless we go with the three of us. The Family, which he feels he has to keep together. That has pretty much been the pattern the whole time, i think: the only time when I could take him out for a walk by myself was between 5 and 10 months old, the rest of the time we pair up and it becomes a joint venture to get the dog out of the house ( my daughter and me mostly; or my husband and me when my daughter is away). But now it is really too much, today I first tried with my daughter: we got him outside but he didn’t want to walk further than the first pole, then mu husband immediately after with the same story, and then only when they came and got me and we went with the three of us, then he came, as happily as ever, with the tail curled, and compliments following, you can't even take it out on a dog like this: he looks so content. But why? Is he afraid? And the more people the safer he feels? or what?

I would appreciate any comments on this. Thank you in advance! And yes, indeed, he looks most happy when he sees us three sitting on a couch or something.

Comments

  • edited November -1
    That's interesting. I've never heard of behavior like that in a dog...at least not that extreme. Perhaps you should try tricking him a bit. Start a walk with the whole family, then after 15 minutes or so have one person quietly slip around a corner out of sight. The rest of the family should ignore it. Keep him busy with treats and lots of praise for walking like a good boy. Then stop and wait for the hiding family member to catch up. When they do, don't make a big deal about it. Ignore them and have them ignore him. Then try again with a different family member. Keep doing this regularly and over time, have that family member hid closer to home and for longer periods of time. The point of this is to show him that good things happen when one family member is gone and that they always come back.

    Since I've never come across that behavior before, that's the best suggestion I have. Good luck! And keep us informed.
  • edited November -1
    Thanks for the comment. We will try that. In fact we have already tried this approach in a way: we walk him (mostly for long distances too: I have figured out 2 best ways for him to go along some grass, and the some more grass). He likes to walk : but then sometimes he balks and shows a lying down attitude, then normally i go ahead (since he follows me absolutely at all times, I give him food and all the attention), he lets me go till the moment he looses me behind a corner, and then starts running after me. It is in fact, the best way to get him going : he can sometimes lie on the ground refusing to come for as long as twenty minutes. Sometimes because he obviously likes the spot, and then we normally let him, and pet him, but sometimes because he is nervuos about what's ahead, and is stubborn, and just simply shows an attitude. Then it becomes a bit frustrating, but in the end we always figure out how to get him going. It is in fact not so bad, we have guaranteed fun together for at least an hour every day. Ah, he is a good doggie. And maybe he gets it all, and that's why he doing it. But my question, in essence, is medical. Since he has had so many different periods already, when he goes eagerly outside, or lazily, or not at all, all these periods following each other and in reverse, I am sure he will overcome his fear, or whatever it is now that is making him so reluctunt, but for now it is just not possible to get him out more than once a day. He seems ok with that. Once a day he seems like he is enjoying being naughty and refusing to come (last two days we make a game of it running around the house, he starts running along, happily, and eventually runs out into the open front door), and two more times we try on a day, but he just lies there and just either looks at you so sadly, or turns away, or comes to eat all but the last cookie on a cookie trail, but then goes back to his mat. At some point I give up then. or shouldn't I?. But then I spend the whole day with the dog? That's what he wants? And if I don't? Is it healthy? What is it doing to his bladder? Or should animals know themselves when they have to do smth? Last night he didn't want to go out, today in the morning, he was so urgent, i had to get out of bed, ok at 11am :!)), but stil quickly put my everyting on, i and my daughter ran out prepared to go for a bit of a walk, he raised his leg once, and then refused to come any further. 10 min. of this keeping him back from running into the house, fight-notfight, i let him back inside. he ran up the stairs. Later on in the afternnon we got him out of the house for an hour long walk together with my husband. And that is another interesting development : is that apparently it is not us three, it is the presence of both adults during the walk, that gives him more courage, as evidenced by the last two days. Or maybe he is just punishing my daughter, doesn't trust her still because she was away and hurt him that way? He is a fun dog, we like him very much, as a puppy still he likes being naughty, it is pleasure to watch, and to come back home to him, but yeah, it is a house animal apparently. And my question is indeed simply about the lowest possible frequency of letting an akita out for a walk? Is that ok once a day? Not to make him unhappy, and ourselves feeling guilty all the time? What do I do? Once owned by an akita, better be equipped with endless perseverance? I have serious plans about moving to a ground -floor house with a garden, but it may take time to find one.
  • edited November -1
    Sounds like maybe either extreme fear, or perhaps not wanting to leave someone he should be guarding/protecting behind in the house?

    A bit more on each theory: Our former dog, Joe (a mix of Rott, black lab, husky and German Shepherd) was extremely afraid of fireworks, cars backfiring, gun shots, thunder and any noises resembling these. We were never able to break him of it. He would refuse to go for a walk and wanted to hide indoors for hours after exposure to these noises. Luckily, he took "care of business" in our yard, but I recall times when he would not go for a walk for 3-4 days in a row (especially around the 4th of July celebrations). He never got over his fear regardless of the various ways we tried to encourage him to forget about it!

    Our current dog, Josephine (a Kai) refuses to take a walk away from the farmhouse into the field at our rural property at times. Since she will not take "care of business" in the yard this is an issue. Usually, this will happen late at night (ocassionally other random times), and we think it is when there is a wolf or coyotes about. She will go, though, if everyone who is in the house at the time comes along; and usually this is what we resort to doing. I am thinking this is more of the guarding mechanism; in other words she does not want to leave anyone at risk by staying alone in the house. So in spite of my husband thinking he is guarding her (carries that 22 caliber shotgun each time), she instead knows she is the true guard of household.

    Well, in spite of all that I don't know of a good technique, but I suggest trying Dave's idea to see how it works for you. I will suggest to my husband, too, and we will try it when Josephine gets in one of those funny moods about going out into the field....
  • edited November -1
    I had a dog like this. My boyfriend's Rott/GSD mix, Negra. She would not walk unless Bear, my Rott, was present. Bear was younger, and she felt the need to protect him. Nothing I could do would get her out without him. If he wasn't home, and sometimes this was the case since his breeder had studding rights, she would rather wait for him at home then go out. She would wait sometimes for up to 5 days depending on how long he was gone. And this was a VERY high drive dog. Normally she was a mess if we didn't go out and do at least 7 miles a day. But when he was gone, she would sit and wait patiently by the gate outside or the front door. I never reconciled this. It just was what it was, and she was too smart and stubborn to buy any tricks that I tried.

    Try these suggestions, but know that if this is how he is, then this may be how he's going to be, and he's making the choice not to go out. Good luck! Feel free to post pics too. :-)
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