Proposed AKC Group Realignment
  • aykayk
    Posts: 1979
    Circulating on the lists is the AKC's new proposed group realignment. It has not been accepted yet. There may be some omissions as this seems to be a rough copy.

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    The Groups - projections with breeds currently in the Groups, Miscellaneous
    Class and Foundation Stock Service (numbers based on inclusion of new
    breeds and some movement within the groups, as some breeds are recommended for
    reassignment)

    Group 1: Sporting - Pointers & Setters (18 breeds)
    Bracco Italiano
    Setter (Irish)
    Brittany
    Setter (Irish Red & White)
    Drentsche Patrijshond
    Small Muenstenlander Pointer
    Pointer
    Spinone Italiano
    Pointer (German Shorthaired)
    Stabyhoun
    Pointer (German Wirehaired)
    Vizsla
    Portuguese Pointer
    Weimaraner
    Setter (English)
    Wirehaired Pointing Griffon
    Setter (Gordon)
    Wirehaired Vizsla

    Group 2: Sporting - Retrievers & Spaniels (21 breeds/varieties)
    Barbet Spaniel (Clumber)
    Koolkerhondje
    Spaniel (Cocker) ASCOB
    Lagotto Romagnolo
    Spaniel (Cocker) Black
    Retriever (Chesapeake Bay)
    Spaniel (Cocker) Parti-color
    Retriever (Curly-Coated)
    Spaniel (English Cocker)
    Retriever (Flat-Coated)
    Spaniel (English Springer)
    Retriever (Golden)
    Spaniel (Field)
    Retriever (Labrador)
    Spaniel (Irish Water)
    Retriever (Nova Scotia Duck Tolling)
    Spaniel (Sussex)
    Spaniel (American Water)
    Spaniel (Welsh Springer)
    Spaniel (Boykin)

    Group 3: Scent Hounds (21 breeds/varieties)
    American Foxhound
    English Foxhound
    American English Coonhound
    Grand Basset Griffon Vendeen
    Basset Harrier
    Beagle (13 in)
    Otterhound
    Beagle (15 in)
    Petit Basset Griffon Vendeen
    Black & Tan Coonhound
    Plott
    Bloodhound
    Portugese Podengo Pequeno
    Bluetick Coonhound
    Redbone Coonhound
    Dachshund (Longhaired)
    Treeing Tennessee Brindle
    Dachshund (Smooth)
    Treeing Walker Coonhound
    Dachshund (Wirehaired)

    Group 4: Sight Hounds (15 breeds)
    Afghan Hound
    Italian Greyhound
    Azawakh
    Pharoah Hound
    Basenji
    Rhodesian Ridgeback
    Borzoi Saluki
    Cirnecco dell'Etna
    Scottish Deerhound
    Greyhound
    Sloughi
    Ibizan Hound
    Whippet
    Irish Wolfhound

    Group 5: Working-Utility (19 breeds)
    Anatolian Shepherd
    Greater Swiss Mountain Dog
    Appenzeller Sennenhunde
    Great Pyrenees
    Bergamasco Entlebucher Mountain Dog
    Bernese Mtn. Dog
    Komondor
    Black Russian
    Kuvasz
    Dalmatian
    Newfoundland
    Doberman Pinscher
    Portuquese Water Dog
    German Pinscher
    Saint Bernard
    Giant Schnauzer
    Slovensky Cuvac
    Standard Schnauzer

    Group 6: Working-Molosser (20 breeds)
    Boerboel
    Great Dane
    Boxer
    Leonberger
    Bullmastiff
    Mastiff
    Cane Corso
    Neapolitan Mastiff
    Caucasian Ovcharka
    Perro de Presa Canario
    Central Asian Shepherd Dog
    Rafeiro Do Alentejo
    Chinook Rottweiler
    Dogo Argentino
    Spanish Mastiff
    Dogue De Bordeaux
    Tibetan Mastiff
    Estrela Mountain Dog
    Tosa

    Group 7: Working-Spitz (24 breeds)
    Akita
    Karelean Bear Dog
    Alaskan Malamute
    Keeshond
    American Eskimo Dog
    Kishu Ken
    Chinese Shar-Pei
    Norrbottenspets
    Chow Chow
    Norwegian Buhund
    Eurasier Norwegian Elkhound
    Finnish Lapphund
    Norwegian Lundehund
    Finnish Spitz Tosa
    Samoyed
    German Spitz
    Schipperke
    Icelandic Sheepdog
    Siberian Husky
    Jindo
    Shiba Inu
    Kai Ken
    Swedish Vallhund

    Group 8: Terriers ( 31 Breeds/varieties)
    Airedale Terrier
    Manchester Terrier (Standard)
    American Staffordshire Terrier
    Miniature Bull Terrier
    Australian Terrier
    Miniature Schnauzer
    Bedlington Terrier
    Norfolk Terrier
    Border Terrier
    Norwich Terrier
    Bull Terrier (Colored)
    Parson Russell Terrier
    Bull Terrier (White)
    Rat Terrier
    Cairn Terrier
    Russell Terrier
    Cesky Terrier
    Scottish Terrier
    Dandie Dinmont Terrier
    Sealyham Terrier
    Fox Terrier (Smooth)
    Skye Terrier
    Fox Terrier (Wire)
    Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier
    Glen of Imaal Terrier
    Staffordshire Bull Terrier
    Irish Terrier
    Welsh Terrier
    Kerry Blue Terrier
    West Highland White Terrier
    Lakeland Terrier

    Group 9: Toy (23 breeds/varieties)
    Affenpinscher
    Miniature Pinscher
    Brussels Griffon
    Papillon
    Cavalier King Charles Spaniel
    Pekingese
    Chihuahua (Long Coat)
    Pomeranian
    Chihuahua (Smooth Coat)
    Poodle (Toy)
    Chinese Crested
    Pug
    English Toy Spaniel (B& PC)
    Russian Toy
    English Toy Spaniel (KC & R)
    Shih Tzu
    Havanese
    Silky Terrier
    Japanese Chin
    Toy Fox Terrier
    Maltese
    Yorkshire Terrier
    Manchester Terrier (Toy)

    Group 10: Non-Sporting (14 breeds/varieties)
    Bichon Frise
    Lowchen
    Boston Terrier
    Poodle (Miniature)
    Bolognese
    Poodle (Standard)
    Bulldog
    Peruvian Inca Orchid
    Coton de Tulear
    Tibetan Spaniel
    French Bulldog
    Tibetan Terrier
    Lhasa Apso
    Xoloitzcuintli

    Group 11: Herding (30 Breeds/varieties)
    Australian Cattle Dog
    Collie (Rough)
    Australian Shepherd
    Collie (Smooth)
    Bearded Collie
    Czechoslovakian Vicak
    Beauceron
    German Shepherd Dog
    Belgian Lakenois
    Lancashire Heeler
    Belgian Malinois
    Mudi
    Belgian Sheepdog
    Old English Sheepdog
    Belgian Tervuren
    Pembroke Welsh Corgi
    Berger Picard
    Polish Lowland Sheepdog
    Border Collie
    Puli
    Bouvier des Flandres
    Pumi
    Briard
    Pyrenean Shepherd
    Canaan Dog
    Schapendoes
    Cardigan Welsh Corgi
    Shetland Sheepdog
    Catahoula Leopard Dog
    Spanish Water Dog
  • Wow..4 of the 6 Nihonken are circulating as part of the working-spitz group? Yay?

    Jesse
    Jesse Pelayo

  • I think these are much better than the old ones. "Working Spitz" seems to me to be a way better description of most of the Nihon Ken than how I've seen then categorized before---so for the ones that have been put there, I think it's fantastic.
  • LosechLosech
    Posts: 2082
    Huh, that's interesting. It'd be neat to be able to say I've got a "Working Spitz" rather than a "Non-Sporting" dog.
    I wonder if it'll be accepted. If it is, does that mean that the Kai and Kishu are going to be AKC recognized?
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  • tjbart17tjbart17
    Posts: 4055
    At least the NK are in the working group and not non-sporting.
  • Does it look like it might go? Because I've heard a rough version of this plan a couple of years ago, but nothing happened. It would be nice if they made this change. It makes much more sense to have these groups and judge similar types of dogs together. The non-sporting group was the most ridiculous group ever, and while this change still has a nonsporting, it at least takes out some dogs that clearly belonged elsewhere (like the Shiba, for example, and the dalmation).

    Is the Schipperke a spitz? I never thought of those little tail-less dogs as spitz! (But funny, I just saw one today at the grocery store). I don't really get why it is "working spitz" though as opposed to just "spitz." Are there nonworking spitz?

    eta: nevermind. I see it's just another category breakdown from the working breeds.
    Lisa, Toby (Shiba), Oskar and Zora (American Akita), and Leo (Kai Ken)
    Post edited by shibamistress at 2011-09-27 03:05:24
  • CaliaCalia
    Posts: 3977
    @shibamistress - Schips are a type of spitz, very intelligent and independent (almost like the NK). They even have the curly tail if left on and do come in other colors than black outside the US:
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    EDIT: Schipps were ratters and used on the barges and boats. Dubbed the little captains of the sea, there was a story explaining their tail removals which had something to do with a butcher throwing a knife at one.
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    Post edited by Calia at 2011-09-27 08:39:03
  • CaliaCalia
    Posts: 3977
    I think it would be great if they actually did the group redesigns instead of just talking about it for years, then I'll only have to look for one group instead of two since both my guys (shiba and Siberian husky) will be in it
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  • While this does look much more organized and makes more sense, it would really suck for me if they did this in the next two years. I'm taking a course right now that has us memorizing all of the AKC breeds and groups, and this would really screw my class up. Though I already know that stuff, this would be a huge change. At least the German Shepherd is in Herding, I heard a rumor that they wanted to put them in Working because of their popularity as Police Dogs. The acceptance of the Kai and Kishu does have me a bit worried, too.

    @ayk - Could you post a link, please?
  • tjbart17tjbart17
    Posts: 4055
    @ayk Please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm addressing you because you probably are more familiar, but isn't a "working" breed one that has one function, ie to hunt with NK.

    Non-sporting breeds can do multiple jobs or do not just have one function.
  • aykayk
    Posts: 1979
    @Asheaka - No link from the AKC yet. As I mentioned, it's just circulating on the dog lists. I got my notice from HVOC which got theirs from SCDOC. I wouldn't panic about a change in the groups just yet. It was maybe 4 years ago that they thought they would create a Northern group, split the sporting group, and split the hound group but it didn't happen.

    @tjbart17 - I'm going to have to pull a quote from the Westminster website for your question:

    "The AKC originally registered dogs as either Sporting or Non-Sporting. Hounds and Terriers split off the Sporting Group, Toys and Working from the Non-Sporting, and later, Herding from the Working Group. The remaining dogs, with a great diversity of traits not fitting any of the above, comprise the Non-Sporting Group."
    Post edited by ayk at 2011-09-27 18:42:19
  • NekopanNekopan
    Posts: 869
    I like this list. It makes a lot more sense than the current groups.
  • Thanks Beth for schip info. I actually do know them....Toby's breeder also bred them, and actually got out of Shibas to focus o them. It just never occurred to me, for some reason, that they were spitz breeds. I didn't know they cut off their tails!!! Why would they do that?

    I did spend some time looking this up last night, and I couldn't find much newer than 2009 about this proposal--Ann, do you have more recent updates on it? All I saw was old stuff, a lot from 2008, so I'm wondering if this is ever actually going to happen?

    @Asheaka....it's not actually that hard to memorize, or won't be in the new grouping if it goes through, because it's so much more clear and obvious in the new groups. It's easy to remember spitz, and herding dogs, pointers/setters, etc, so it might actually HELP you learn them! :)
    Lisa, Toby (Shiba), Oskar and Zora (American Akita), and Leo (Kai Ken)
  • jan3tjan3t
    Posts: 133
    Well, I am certainty out of the loop. I used to know all the AKC breeds and tons of rare breeds, but so many on the list are new to me.

    For example, I know what a Chinook (which was so very rare after Perry Green died) is and I know what a Rottweiler is, but what the heck is a Chinook Rottweiler? A google search did not provide me answers...
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  • aykayk
    Posts: 1979
    @jan3t - it's actually chinook, rottweiler. Some format errors were included in this rough draft.
  • aykayk
    Posts: 1979
    The version Calia posted was rejected because of complaining breed clubs. I know at least one breed did not want to lose the "working" designation because it would lull puppy buyers into thinking the dogs are low drive/easy keepers.
  • Yeah, I saw that older version (the one Beth linked) but that's 2008. So I'm still trying to figure out if this is actually going to happen anytime soon?

    and as far as I can see, not all of these breeds are currently AKC breeds...the catahoula is not, as far as I know. So that's even more puzzling.
    Lisa, Toby (Shiba), Oskar and Zora (American Akita), and Leo (Kai Ken)
    Post edited by shibamistress at 2011-09-28 02:47:56
  • @shibamistress - I know. I know all the AKC breeds and many others, and the groups. Thanks to Asperger's Syndrome, memorizing things (at least with animals) is probably my best skill. But if this happened, and by some insane chance it happened tomorrow, we'd have to restart our curriculum. I'd actually love to see the spitz become a group, that way people would maybe know about them, and I wouldn't have to explain what one is every other day. It'd be awesome to see most of my favorite dogs in one group, too.
  • lindsaytlindsayt
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    NSCA has approved the designation for Shibas, as I am given to understand.
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  • jan3tjan3t
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    @Asheaka, what class?
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  • BradA1878BradA1878
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    I wonder why they split the TM and CO off of group 5 but left the Anatolian Shepherd, Great Pyrenees, Komondor, Kuvasz, and Cuvac... I'm not arguing with the placement of either, I think they could all fit in either group, I just wonder why they split them aprt (especially if you consider the all those breeders are essentially members of the same land race - excluding the TM and GP).
  • I was really hoping the kishu would not get recognized...
    Gen, Ami, Kaylynn, Trinity, Yusuke......Riki, Hana, Sammi, Taro, and the newest addition Koyuki.
  • tjbart17tjbart17
    Posts: 4055
    @brada1878 I was wondering when you would comment on that.

    @shishiinu I'm surprised it took them this long to put in all the foundation stock. I'm not surprised at all to see Kishu and Kai on the list. I guess it's evolution, and sometimes we need to roll with it while also being mindful of taking care of our breeds.
  • The thing is, a LOT of dogs on this list have not yet been recognized by the AKC, and I don't think their inclusion on the list means they are going to necessarily suddenly do that. I thought it took awhile, and needed a parent breed club to actually get a breed accepted?

    Overall, I'm finding this whole thing quite puzzling, given that I don't know where they are in the discussions (which seemed to begin in 2007/8 but haven't really gone anywhere, though thanks Lindsay for noting that NSCA has approved this--that shows some progress) and there are so many dogs on these lists that are not AKC recognized. So while this makes much more sense to me, I'm not convinced we're going to see any changes any time soon.
    Lisa, Toby (Shiba), Oskar and Zora (American Akita), and Leo (Kai Ken)
  • BradA1878BradA1878
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    Word on the street is that the AKC is planning a move to recognize all FCI breeds whether they go through FSS or not.
    Post edited by BradA1878 at 2011-09-28 16:34:08
  • AKC must be hurting for money.....
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  • aykayk
    Posts: 1979
    They already have a reciprocal agreement with FCI in which they will recognize FCI registered dogs with AKC.
    Post edited by ayk at 2011-09-28 16:56:18
  • @jan3t - The Spitz Group. I love wolf-like dogs and large dogs. I'm liking all of the Working Groups in general too, though.
  • They have been talking about this for years, but AKC has not moved forward with it.
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