Possible Tosa Inu in shelter in Florida
  • Saw this on Shibaholics this morning when someone asked if anyone knew anything about Tosa Inu. This dog is in a high kill shelter and needs to be pulled now, listed as a Tosa. I don't know if it is or isn't, but figured this was a good place to post it.

    http://shibainu.rescueme.org/Florida

    Click on the link and the Tosa should be the first dog. It looks like they have some money pledged to help with rescue if they can get someone to pull her.
    Lisa, Toby (Shiba), Oskar and Zora (American Akita), and Leo (Kai Ken)
    Post edited by shibamistress at 2013-01-27 15:04:05
  • SayaSaya
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    We have couple Tosa inu owners so they might be able to ID the dog as one..

    I never seen Tosa in person so not sure.
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  • ceziegcezieg
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    Looking at reference photos I don't think it's a Tosa... between the rarity, head difference between her pic + reference, and the common coloration with other breeds. Just my first-glance opinion though. They close at 4pm on Sundays and I'm an hour to hour and a half away at this time of day (traffic + shelter's off-the-beaten-path location), weekends is the best time for me to borrow a car (own a motorcycle) so I can't commit to it for tomorrow. Maybe @hinata23 knows someone in Miami?
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  • I had no idea--I'm not a big mastiff fan myself so haven't paid that much attention. I'll see, though if they've got a rescue lined up and it's just a matter of transport, because maybe if it's transport or pulling the dog for a rescue, someone will be able to help. So far, though, I don't know more than this.
    Lisa, Toby (Shiba), Oskar and Zora (American Akita), and Leo (Kai Ken)
  • Hinata23Hinata23
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    I lived out of state for a while... The only people I have kept in touch with is my family and they have their handfuls with the animals they already have... Hope she finds a home :\
    Post edited by Hinata23 at 2013-01-27 19:46:07
  • kimputaikimputai
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    I hope all dogs find a good home. it really makes me sick to see any type of dog in this situation.
  • ZinjaZinja
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    The Tosa in the photo's head reminds me of a boxer.
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  • @Zinja That's what I was thinking but didn't want to say it! lol
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  • BradA1878BradA1878
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    Aren't Tosa Inu banned in Miami (as well as Akita)?
  • @brada1878 If they are, it seems dumb for the rescue to call the dog a Tosa (even if it is one) because that would make legal complications for adoption...
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  • ZinjaZinja
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    Are Akitas banned? I've taken Ninja to Miami twice and walked around with her.

    Now, I did just take Eevee to a dog groomer. They did not know what a Kai or Tora was so I said, "like an Akita" when referring to the double coat. They freaked out and said, "we are not allowed to have Akitas here." I tried to explain I was referring to her coat being similar but they were a pain so I left.
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    Post edited by Zinja at 2013-01-28 13:36:14
  • If they are, then Miami has one of the stupidest BSLs ever. I mean, I think they are all stupid, but....

    I don't know what was going on with the rescue--I asked for more info. on Shibaholics but no one seemed to know, so whatever this girl is, we'll just have to hope she finds a place and is able to not get caught up in BSL stupidity.
    Lisa, Toby (Shiba), Oskar and Zora (American Akita), and Leo (Kai Ken)
  • To my knowledge Miami-Dade law based on a recent vote of 63.2% to keep the ban is on Amrican Staffordshire terriers, Shaffordshire bull terriers and high-content mixes of both. The law I believe took hold in 1989 after a dog thought to be a pit bull ripped apart the face of a Kendall 8-year old. I do not know of any other banned breed in Miami-Dade.

    Here is the article I saw ... http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/08/13/2951979/pit-bulls-remain-illegal-in-miami.html



  • redcattoo said:

    To my knowledge Miami-Dade law based on a recent vote of 63.2% to keep the ban is on Amrican Staffordshire terriers, Shaffordshire bull terriers and high-content mixes of both. The law I believe took hold in 1989 after a dog thought to be a pit bull ripped apart the face of a Kendall 8-year old. I do not know of any other banned breed in Miami-Dade.

    Here is the article I saw ... http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/08/13/2951979/pit-bulls-remain-illegal-in-miami.html





    Thanks for posting this. I can't quite tell what the original law is from this,but since you live in the county, I figure you've got a better sense of the law than us. And welcome to the NK side!
    Lisa, Toby (Shiba), Oskar and Zora (American Akita), and Leo (Kai Ken)
  • The law was put in effect in 1989 and hasn't been overturned to my knowledge since that August vote last year. Here is part of the municode library on the law:

    Sec. 5-17. - Legislative intent.

    This article is intended to utilize the authority and powers of Miami-Dade County in order to secure for the citizens of this County the protection of their health, safety and. welfare. It is intended to be applicable to dogs which are commonly referred to as "pit bulls" and which are defined herein. This article is designed to regulate these pit bull dogs and to ensure responsible handling by their owners through confinement, registration, and liability insurance. The unique history nature and characteristics of pit bull dogs have been determined to require the special regulations and provisions contained within this article which the County Commission hereby finds reasonable and necessary.

    (Ord. No. 89-22, § 2, 4-4-89)
    Sec. 5-17.1. - Definition and identification of a pit bull dog.

    (a)
    The term "pit bull dog" as used within this article shall refer to any dog which exhibits those distinguishing characteristics which:
    (1)
    Substantially conform to the standards established by the American Kennel Club for American Staffordshire Terriers or Staffordshire Bull Terriers; or
    (2)
    Substantially conform to the standards established by the United Kennel Club for American Pit Bull Terriers.
    (b)
    The Standards of the American Kennel Club and the United Kennel Club referred to in subsection (a) above, are attached hereto and incorporated herein by reference as "Exhibit A" and shall remain on file with the Animal Services Division of the Public Works Department of Miami-Dade County.
    (c)
    Technical deficiencies in the dog's conformance to the standards described in subsection (b) shall not be construed to indicate that the subject dog is not a "pit bull dog" under this article.
    (d)
    Testimony by a veterinarian, zoologist, animal behaviorist, or animal control officer that a particular dog exhibits distinguishing physical characteristics of a pit bull shall establish a rebuttable presumption that the dog is a pit bull.
    (Ord. No. 89-22, § 3, 4-4-89)
    Sec. 5-17.2. - Confinement of pit bull dogs.

    (a)
    Because of the pit bull dog's inbred propensity to attack other animals, and because of the danger posed to humans and animals alike by a pit bull dog when running loose or while naming together in a pack, pit bull dogs must at all times be securely confined indoors, or confined in a securely and totally enclosed and locked pen, with either a top or with all four (4) sides at least six (6) feet high, and with a conspicuous sign displaying the words "Dangerous Dog."
    (b)
    At any time that a pit bull dog is not confined as required in subsection (a) above, the dog shall be muzzled in such a manner as to prevent it from biting or injuring any person or animal, and kept on a leash with the owner or custodian in attendance. Provided, however, that no pit bull dog may be walked within fifty (50) feet of any public school ground nor enter onto such school ground.
    (c)
    An exception to these confinement requirements is hereby provided for any pit bull dog in attendance at, and participating in, any lawful dog show, contest or exhibition sponsored by a dog club, association, society or similar organization.
    (d)
    An exception to these confinement requirements is hereby provided for any pit bull dog when the dog is actually engaged in the sport of hunting in an authorized area and supervised by a competent person.
    (Ord. No. 89-22, § 4, 4-4-89)
    Sec. 5-17.3. - Evidence of financial responsibility required to be maintained by owners of pit bull dogs.

    In order to protect the public and to afford relief from the severe harm and injury which is likely to result from a pit bull dog attack, every owner of a pit bull dog shall maintain and be able to provide evidence of the owner's financial ability to respond in damages up to and including the amount of fifty thousand dollars ($50,000.00) for bodily injury to or death of any person or damage to property which may result from the ownership, keeping or maintenance of such dog. Proof of ability to respond in damages shall be given by filing with the Animal Control Office a certificate of insurance from an insurance company authorized to do business in the State, stating that the owner is and will be insured against liability for such damages; or by posting with the Animal Control Office a surety bond conditioned upon the payment of such damages during the period of such registration; or by posting a personal bond secured by a mortgage in real property or security interest in personal property; or a sworn statement of the owner of his/her financial ability to respond in damages up to and including the amount of fifty thousand dollars ($50,000.00).

    (Ord. No. 89-22, § 5, 4-4-89; Ord. No. 89-127, § 1, 12-19-89)
    Note—See § 5-17.6(a) for the effective date of this section.

    Sec. 5-17.4. - Registration of pit bull dogs.

    Every owner of a pit bull dog in Miami-Dade County shall register the dog with the Animal Services Division of the Public Works Department of the County. The registration shall include the following: Name, address and telephone number of the dog's owner; the address where the dog is harbored, if different from the owner's address; a complete identification of the dog including the dog's sex, color and any other distinguishing physical characteristics; a color photograph of the dog; a description of the method of compliance with the confinement requirements; proof of the liability insurance or other evidence of financial responsibility required pursuant to this article; and a registration fee.

    (Ord. No. 89-22, § 8, 4-4-89)
    Case law annotation—AO 4-51A.

    Sec. 5-17.5. - Enforcement.

    It shall, be the duty and responsibility of all Miami-Dade County Animal Control Officers to enforce the provisions of this article.

    (Ord. No. 89-22, § 7, 4-4-89)
    Sec. 5-17.6. - Time for compliance.

    (a)
    All persons subject to this article shall have ninety (90) days from the effective date of this section [April 14,1989] to comply with all confinement and registration and requirements. The provisions of Section 5-17.3, entitled "Liability Insurance or Other Evidence of Financial Responsibility Required to be Maintained by Owner of Pit Bull Dogs," shall be effective on January, 1, 1990.
    (b)
    No pit bull dogs may be sold, purchased, obtained, brought into Miami-Dade County, or otherwise acquired by residents of Miami-Dade County anytime after the passage of ninety (90) days after the effective date of Ordinance Number 89-22. No such newly acquired pit bull dogs may be kept, maintained, or otherwise harbored within Miami-Dade County, and each day any such newly acquired pit bull is so kept, maintained, or harbored shall constitute a separate violation of this section.
    (1)
    Violation of subsection (b) may result in the issuance of a civil violation notice, and
    (2)
    Humane destruction of the pit bull dog by order of a court of competent jurisdiction. The County Manager or his designee may apply to the court for such order pursuant to this paragraph.
    (c)
    Failure to register a pit bull dog as required by this article within the ninety-day grace period shall be prima facie evidence that the pit bull dog is a newly acquired pit bull dog.
    (Ord. No. 89-22, § 8, 4-4-89; Ord. No. 89-63, § 1, 7-11-89)
    Sec. 5-17.7. - Pit bull signs in veterinary offices, kennels, commercial breeders, commercial animal establishments, pet shops, and dog grooming businesses.

    (1)
    Signs Required. Every veterinary office, kennel, commercial breeder, commercial animal establishment, pet shop, and dog grooming business must post a sign stating in English, Spanish and Creole the following:
    BOTH PURE AND MIXED BREED PIT BULL DOGS ARE CLASSIFIED AS DANGEROUS. IT HAS BEEN ILLEGAL TO ACQUIRE A NEW PIT BULL DOG SINCE JANUARY 1, 1990. FAILURE TO REGISTER, MUZZLE, CONFINE, AND INSURE A PIT BULL IS A VIOLATION OF THE LAW SUBJECT TO SEVERE PENALTY. Section 5-17.1, Miami-Dade Code.
    IF YOU OR YOUR FAMILY IS AT RISK BECAUSE SOMEONE LIVING NEAR YOU ILLEGALLY KEEPS A PIT BULL, CONTACT THE MIAMI-DADE COUNTY DANGEROUS DOG INVESTIGATOR AT [HERE INSERT CURRENT PHONE NUMBER PROVIDED BY MIAMI-DADE COUNTY].
    The sign must be prominently displayed to the public and clearly legible.
    (2)
    Penalties. Failure to post a sign as required by this section shall be a civil violation subject to a $500.00 civil, penalty. Every day a sign is not posted shall be a separate violation.
    (Ord. No. 99-159, § 1, 11-16-99)


  • As you see as of 90 days after the effective date of ordinance 89-22 no pit bulls may be sold, purchases, obtained, brought into Miami-Dade County, or otherwise acquired by residents of Miami-Dade County.

    I live just north in Broward County, but not sure what the law reads there if any for BSL.

    I actually believe that in Florida except Miami-Dade they can't ban specific breeds, but because when that legislation passed in Florida the Miami-Dade ban was granfathered.
    Post edited by redcattoo at 2013-01-28 15:26:40

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