# Kai Ken brothers reunite

Saw this link posted on another forum.  It is a video of two Kai Ken brothers (littermates) seeing each other for the first time since they were puppies.  From what I can gather, they are about a year.  Pretty interesting video.  There are a couple of intense scenes.  Dog behavior is pretty amazing…

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## brandon_w (admin) · 2008-02-01T13:29:07.000Z
Saw this link posted on another forum.  It is a video of two Kai Ken brothers (littermates) seeing each other for the first time since they were puppies.  From what I can gather, they are about a year.  Pretty interesting video.  There are a couple of intense scenes.  Dog behavior is pretty amazing.

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=geXYUTKt-wc&NR=1

(I don't know how to embed videos, only pictures).

## _dlroberts · 2008-02-01T15:14:26.000Z
Holy crap. This is seriously intense!

I've never introduced a new dog to my pack, but I have to believe that is not the best way to go about it.

## JessicaRabbit (admin) · 2008-02-01T18:14:02.000Z
Wow. There is something so hectic and stressful about watching dogs go at eachother, Even with muzzles. Moto and Piggy has a tiff ,for lack of a better word, and I couldn't stop shaking after breaking it up. I never get used to that.

## brada1878 (admin) · 2008-02-01T20:26:27.000Z
I had seen that video before... I didn't know the story behind it tho.

The posturing is interesting (the fighting is not so interesting), in round 2 the one dog clearly flaunts his dominance (post fight) by placing his paws on the back of the other one. The amount of salivating is interesting too - those pups truly wanted to kill each other.

We have introduced dogs to an existing pack 6+ times now, and I can tell you for sure that it never went that bad. I can almost certainly tell you that is not the best way to go about it either.

The owners of the dogs should have stepped in and controlled the situation - a pack leader would not allow two of his/her subordinate pack members to fight like that. That is probably why they are fighting - they have no order, hierarchy or discipline.

On a side note, that grunting sound you hear them making, like the "breath of fire" in Yoga - Kona makes that sound a lot - especially when we pick him up. If he is not thrilled about it he grunts like that - its funny... it makes him sound like a fat guy. lol

## brada1878 (admin) · 2008-02-01T20:32:16.000Z
Last night Maui got into it a bit with Ahi - Maui is just such a jerk sometimes, this "argument" was over a piece of wood that they both wanted to chew on (it was smaller than a dime). Ahi is submissive to him as long as he is being extremely hectic - but Ahi could crush Maui if needed... that shows how much it is all mental. I think the idea, in a pack, is to let all the members develop the pack structure without things getting to the level of a fight, because that is when strength and tenacity would take over and not necessarily confidence.

## MommyofNiko · 2008-02-01T23:09:37.000Z
From what I understand litter mates dont remember each other as well as parents and pups after separation...but I may be wrong.

I could never introduce like that, very scary!

## hukuchan · 2008-02-05T15:50:40.000Z
Huku met his litter mate after about 7 or 8 months and while they played with each other, it wasn't like they had some intense recognition or anything. If anything, I would think we as humans tend to over-humanize situations like that...in hopes of some amazing experience (and believe me, I am guilty of doing that when Huku met his brother). After thinking on it and trying to view it from a dog's POV, I would guess that to them it's just another dog.

## brada1878 (admin) · 2008-02-05T16:39:05.000Z
I am the king of anthropomorphism! I am always expecting the dogs to behave like people... I dunno why, because I am also really logical, and logically it makes no sense.

## brandon_w (admin) · 2008-02-05T16:42:47.000Z
Siblings that spend more than their first 8 weeks together (maybe a few months) and then are separated and reunited have a real recognition.  Nemo and his brother Turi have a bond between them that is different than the bonds they form with their other friends.  Also I have two friends that own sibling Shibas and they only see each other maybe once a year.  But there is definite recognition, and there are expressions of some sort of affection or excitement.

## MommyofNiko · 2008-02-05T21:14:16.000Z
Good points!

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