# Westminster The Shiba winners: Best of Breed 9 Ch Banshou Go Ryuukyuu Uruma Breed: Shiba Inu Sex: Dog AKC: NP 19796501 Date of Birth: September 09, 2000 Breeder: Yuichi Tomimoto Sire: Toyomitsugou Higorokkasou Dam: Ryuzukihimegou Nagasufurusho Owner: Tom & Sandra Rolenaitis & Fran Daum & Gibbs Burch Best of Op… ## Thread In Show / Event · started by ljowen123 · 26 replies - **Category:** [Show / Event](https://nihonken.org/community/c/show-event) - **Forum:** [Nihon Ken Forum](https://nihonken.org/community/) ## ljowen123 (moderator) · 2009-02-09T23:03:24.000Z The Shiba winners: Best of Breed 9 Ch Banshou Go Ryuukyuu Uruma Breed: Shiba Inu Sex: Dog AKC: NP 19796501 Date of Birth: September 09, 2000 Breeder: Yuichi Tomimoto Sire: Toyomitsugou Higorokkasou Dam: Ryuzukihimegou Nagasufurusho Owner: Tom & Sandra Rolenaitis & Fran Daum & Gibbs Burch Best of Opposite Sex 8 Ch Royal's Wild Desert Rose Breed: Shiba Inu Sex: Bitch AKC: NP 15844201 Date of Birth: February 05, 2007 Breeder: Pamela Peterson Sire: Ch San Jo Wild Wild West Dam: Ch Royal's Run For The Roses Owner: Jerry & Megan Durham Photos: Breed judging Award of Merit 18 Ch Copperdots Grothoichiro Breed: Shiba Inu Sex: Dog AKC: NM 94317001 Date of Birth: November 28, 2002 Breeder: Diana Smiley Sire: Ch Kokichi No Taima Go Echiqo Dam: Imizunohana Go Imizu Hashimoto Sou Owner: Anthony Groth & Debra Gentry 20 Ch Fanfair's Without A Trace At Glenchester Breed: Shiba Inu Sex: Dog AKC: NP 18980602 Date of Birth: August 21, 2007 Breeder: Laura Payton Sire: Ch Akio Chousei Sou Morningstar Dam: Ch Fanfair's Esprit De Corps At Eubar Owner: Mark Peterson & Debra Peterson & Laura Payton Is it wrong that I hope the shibas don't place? I mean the only thing that I can see is that it means an explosion of people wanting them. ## ljowen123 (moderator) · 2009-02-09T23:04:46.000Z This is what they have posted on the Westminster about the Shiba: Though small in stature, Shiba Inu are brave and determined dogs. Originally bred to flush birds and small game, and occasionally used to hunt wild boar, they are now kept primarily as pets. However, they have a strong predisposition to escape at any opportunity. They can never be reliably trained to return when called, nor can they ever be trusted off lead. They also tend to be dog aggressive, so care must be taken to protect them and to protect other dogs from them. They are a healthy, intelligent breed, constantly providing challenges to their owners. ## Darwin67 · 2009-02-10T01:10:48.000Z Okay....my only complaint, is that the Standard Poodle always seems to win...Although, I was quite surprised the Scottish Deerhound won...that's a bit outside the box for westminster! ## ljowen123 (moderator) · 2009-02-10T01:12:54.000Z The non-sporting group is so varied, I think it's really tough to call. It will be interesting when the groups are rearranged and shibas fall into the Nordic group. I still really don't want shibas to win. ## Sangmort (moderator) · 2009-02-10T01:20:17.000Z That's an excellent description of the shiba, IMHO. ~ ## Darwin67 · 2009-02-10T01:23:31.000Z Yeah, I feel the same way about the dogs...less exposure is better for the breed! That darn shiba puppy cam is probably what prompted that osbourne girl to buy a shiba. ## lindsayt · 2009-02-10T07:44:55.000Z Ban is a gorgeous shiba boy. That Deerhound has been doing really well and I was tickled to see it. When I saw the poodle took the group, that's the same thing I thought to myself, "Another poodle wins, big suprise." I am bummed out the Terv didn't take the group, Spy is an awesome boy with some nice genes. Is AKC actually going for a Nordic group? About time. ## Calia · 2009-02-10T10:31:07.000Z I heard about that, that the AKC is debating whether or not to make it 10 instead of 7. thinking of splitting the sporting, hound, and add the northern group for the spitz types. http://www.akc.org/events/conformation/group\_realignment.cfm ## tsukitsune (moderator) · 2009-02-10T11:09:58.000Z I don't like this part in the description: "They also tend to be dog aggressive, so care must be taken to protect them and to protect other dogs from them." Even my shelter manager asked that after we got two dog aggressive shibas in within a month of each other - "are they all like that". No, but people make them like that. its a cop-out. They should say "care must be taken to constantly and consistently socialize throughout their lifetime". That would be a more responsible description for a dog that gets picked for looks alone in the dog store window. I hope the group gets realigned, the spitz stick together at the dog park, why not in the show ring? :) ## StaticNfuzz · 2009-02-10T12:40:24.000Z Thanks LJ for the update! All the Shibas at the show deserve credit for being there. ***** Yeah the poodles are a popular show dog and usually take the crown more often than not. Most of the old time judges are not really familiar with the Shiba I think. Regardless of what one tells you Judging is such a subjective thing. People go with what they know. It is interesting that most of the final line up last night were all black dogs. Black dogs tend to get a lot of attention in the show ring I think mainly because of the lack of contrast on their body making everything blend in so it looks more perfect than it really is. I have to give the Scottie exhibitor credit though for being able to get his dog to turn on the charm when the judge took a final look. IMHO poodles stand out because of the ridiculous grooming and their pandering tendencies. (If both of these breeds (Shiba and Poodle) were in the same political arena they would be on the farthest side from each other as one can get in most every aspect.) A Shiba in its natural form has an understated beauty and next to a poodle when side by side it comes across like a wall flower. I don't think they should be in the same class at all. With that being said I think it is safe to say if a judge favors poodles they really will be disinterested in a Shiba, keeping in mind the whole thing is subjective. I believe the UK shows classify the spitz breeds together, so I am looking forward to what's in store when and if the change over is made. **** Good point Jen... as we all know early socialization is the key to keeping harmony among dogs regardless of breed. As far as temperaments I know a lot of other breed show folks have misconceptions about the Shiba and dog to dog aggression. Most think all Shibas are aggressive and that simply is not the case. Even terriers can be a pain in the butt with other dogs, particularly of the same gender. I have seen more terriers during a show go at it than I have ever seen of Shibas at ring side. Actually when I think about it, I have seen some wacky behaving poodles too so hey why should a single breed be pegged. Snf ## Darwin67 · 2009-02-10T19:16:30.000Z I've always been curious as to why they allow certain breeds to be shown with "show cuts" as is the case with the Poodle. I understand that grooming is necessary, but I would much rather see the dogs in their more natural state as nature intended them to be. The poodle, IMHO, with that cut...looks obnoxiuos. Yeah for creating a SPITZ group! I'm always dissapointed that they are often overlooked and have always felt they deserve to be in their own category. ## CrimsonO2 · 2009-02-10T19:51:56.000Z I'm crossing my fingers for a Spitz group. I was watching the Westminster dog show on TV and I didn't even see a Shiba Inu at all when they put up the Toy group (maybe I missed it)? Jesse ## lymura · 2009-02-10T19:58:32.000Z I think Shiba are in the Non-Sporting group. ## Darwin67 · 2009-02-10T20:03:44.000Z For your viewing pleasure!! Westminster 2009 Breed Judging - Shiba Inu http://video.westminsterkennelclub.org/player/?id=1002581 ## Kaddy · 2009-02-10T20:07:34.000Z AHHH so many fuzzy little butts in one place... I love it :o) ## StaticNfuzz · 2009-02-10T20:10:16.000Z Thanks for the link! Snf ## CrimsonO2 · 2009-02-10T21:09:43.000Z I'm surprised I saw a shiba with a white tip on the tail in there (young male handler). I thought that was considered a fault? Maybe it's because Ichi's is lacking and most video shots of the dogs are trotting towards and away from the camera, but I can't help but think...some of those males had big nuts. Jesse ## Sangmort (moderator) · 2009-02-11T04:05:20.000Z lmao @ Jesse! ~ ## lindsayt · 2009-02-11T09:26:42.000Z Jesse-Shiba are not a toy breed. If I were a judge, I would accept a white tail tip anytime over a more serious conformation fault like missing teeth, poor movement, or a bad front end. I think a coat pattern error is down on the list of faults as long as the dog is completely standard otherwise and immaculate. You can breed the white tip out, but you can't fix a crappy front, add missing teeth, or even easily breed out bad knees. Of course, the dog would have to be darn near perfect with that white tail tip being the only noticable flaw. ## tobyshiba · 2009-02-11T12:10:21.000Z I thought the white tipped tail was allowed in the standard? I thought it was preferred to not have it, but it was allowed? lol ## CrimsonO2 · 2009-02-11T13:28:54.000Z Hey Linday, Thanks for the clarification, I forgot how they were categorized. Toy just popped in my head because of size, I forgot there was a "non-sporting" group. Either way, I consider both groups a misclassification of the breed. Jesse ## Sangmort (moderator) · 2009-02-11T17:36:47.000Z I'm pretty sure it's allowed, but not preferred. I would really love a Nordic / spitz group, that'd be awesome!~ ## Nekopan · 2009-02-11T19:23:48.000Z According to the Nippo standard (I know AKC is different, but hey) a white tail tip is acceptable. http://www.shibas.org/newstand/urajiro.html ## kojichan · 2009-02-11T22:08:25.000Z Well my Koji has a white tip and its more than acceptable to me!! : ) ## StaticNfuzz · 2009-02-12T14:06:17.000Z Here is a link to a general photo in 1/12 slide show. If you look carefully in ring 5 the Shibas are being shown. The dogs better like a crowd cause it was packed! http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123422146920565373.html#articleTabs%3Dslideshow Snf ## lindsayt · 2009-02-12T17:29:38.000Z I can't believe the amount of chalk they use on some of those dogs. Seriously, if the dog can't win on it's own merit and the handlers have to cover up all these flaws, should that animal really be bred??? ## lindsayt · 2009-02-12T17:36:30.000Z Here's the video. http://video.westminsterkennelclub.org/player/?id=1002581 They are all strung up like the Toys. --- **Navigate:** [Forum home](https://nihonken.org/community/?format=md) · [Sitemap](https://nihonken.org/community/sitemap.xml)