Just got back from a hike - interesting....

edited September 2008 in General
Well this past weekend it rained from Thursday to Monday... lots and lots of rain... it sucked!

Anyway, so we took a break to hike today - headed up into Taos Canyon on the way to the ski area. The train we went on was considered difficult, it was steep but nothing to crazy.

We took Kona, Ahi and Hilo and on the way into the trail we passed 2 people [and an off-lead dog]. They were chatting and were friendly...

We continued up the trail for about 45 minutes then turned around since I needed to get some work done today. On our way back down we ran into one of the gentlemen that we passed on the way up.

We stopped to chat. Come to find out he was the original creator of Backpacker Magazine! He has wrote a bunch of books and ironical [or maybe coincedently] he wrote the book we used to find the trail we met him on! lol! Crazy how small the world is sometimes.

I noticed he had a gun and some bear spray with him, so I asked about it. He told me something interesting [a "secret" he called it]. The Black Bear is starting to become predatory toward humans and is slowly becoming a very real threat. He said he had worked with some fellow researchers on documenting the incline of Black Bear attacks on humans and found since the '80s that the attacks had progressed aggressively and continue to do so. He said a lot of the local forest rangers have been monitoring the situation and have grown rather concerned - concerned to the point that they are actively hunting Black Bear that are found to be living close to "developed" [campsites, etc.] areas.

That's pretty crazy. Here I have been worried more about the Mountain Lions and hoping to see a Black Bear! Seems we should be hiking with our shotgun from now on! :o\

We chatted briefly about dogs - our dogs, bear dogs, and LGDs - he agreed with me that a dog [or human] was no match for a bear but he was very interested in the bear dogs - he had never heard of them. I told him about my friend in Alaska that was breeding bear dog and breed her dog specifically for the dog's "bear sense". He wrote the info down and was going to research them - it seems I interested him. :o)

Pretty cool! He may be a REL or KBD owners soon. :o)

Well, as always, here are some pics from the hike...

On the way there...

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We saw this on the side of the road, kinda interesting [and dangerous]:
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On the trail...

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Came across this gate on the way in [and out]. It says "Please close gate"... it was this creepy barbed-wire gate to keep the bear away from the road - always a good sign!
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Comments

  • edited September 2008
    Isn't that the same type gate you find in many horror movies??

    BTW, that's interesting about bear - looks like a great hike. Kona always looks excited on the way to the hike.
  • edited November -1
    That's interesting, and kind of alarming in a way. 'Cause there will always be people that aren't cautious enough and might find themselves in trouble.

    About the dog being a match for a bear, there are some stories among French shepherds that talk about how a Pyrenean Mountain dog, or "patou" can hold off a bear and two are enough to kill a bear. I'm not posting it here, because it might be considered "offensive" but there is at least on video on youtube of two Kangals getting pretty wild on a black bear.
  • edited November -1
    For some reason Hilo in a car always cracks me up.

    Pretty interesting to run into the guy who created backpacker magazine. And scary about the black bears. So did you get your shotgun?
  • edited November -1
    That's so cool! One of the many things I really like about hiking is the interesting people you meet on the trail. That guy was a perfect example. Although its a bit disturbing to hear what he said about black bears.

    Love the shots of the pups in the car, especially Hilo! :-)
  • edited November -1
    LJ - Yes, it did have a very "horror movies" vibe. lol.

    Brandon - I ordered my shotgun last week - it will take a while to get here due to how remote we are.

    Dave - That is exactly what I told Jen, I love the people you meet while hiking.

    Rui - I want to see that video. :o)

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  • edited November -1
    I need to move to more hiking friendly areas :(

    What kind of shotgun did you order Brad?

    Rui I want to see the video too :P
  • edited September 2008
    Super scary about the bears. I too love the car pictures.

    I would like to quote Jason after seeing these pictures (please keep in mind he is a perpetual kidder)

    "Those JERKS!!... How dare they live in such a beautiful place! ...Why aren't we visiting them? ...I want Hilo."
  • edited November -1
    I love Kona's smile! Especially with the pack on.
    I love the Hilo mosnter.
    Brad-All I can think of with the pic of Ahi sitting at the window is how much slobber and slime you always had all over the outside of your car.
  • edited November -1
    Awe, my Hilo!! Cute as always.

    What a small world! Another interesting thing....a colleague 10 years ago said the same exact thing about Black Bears. No, she wasn't a scientist or an expert trailsman. Just a woman who lived in the Poconos around Black Bears for decades. She noticed that as time went on the number of Black Bear attacks in her area was slowly increasing. When she said this, two people (unfortunately, one a child) were attacked in the last 2 weeks. And she quoted an average number (I can't remember the actual number, it was 10 years ago!) of attacks....PER MONTH. Actually, she said that many of those attacks were children because the news reports were focusing on Brown Bears as attackers, while Black Bears were more docile.
  • edited November -1
    Rina - The shotgun I ordered is a Remington 870 HD with a Knoxx SpecOps Stock and a Ghost-Ring Shotgun Sight.

    Jessica - Well then come and visit! :o)

    Rachael - We still have the drool marks - on both sides now.

    Barbara - That's crazy - I guess its true then. :o\ The guy we met said a lady was just recently killed at Red River. The bear broke into her house and killed her in her sleep!

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  • edited November -1
    My dad used to do a lot of hiking in Yellowstone when he was a graduate student. He had told me a story about a close bear encounter he had that freaks me out. He was backpacking in the high country one summer and it was a warm night so he we sleeping on top of his sleeping bag. He woke up because his feet were being tickled only to find a bear licking his feet! He says he was too scared to scream which is probably what saved him. He looked at the bear, the bear looked at him, and then just turned around and ran off. How crazy is that?
  • edited November -1
    wow - no joke - I'd shit my pants.

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  • edited November -1
    Very true! Just a few weeks ago a Black Bear attacked a little boy down here, luckily he managed to survive :o


    There's Black Bear on the trails we go on, I think if I ever saw one friendly or not I'd be scared out of my wits. [ no gun here, just a knife :x ]~
  • edited September 2008
    They should have KBD rentals for hikers in bear country!!!

    and a story for Brad from a couple weeks ago

    http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/08/06/mountain.lion.ap/

    moral of the story is either 'Keep your windows closed' or 'Labs are way too friendly'
  • edited November -1
    Ooo nice one Brad. I like it.

    Aww poor dog, I wonder what the dogs were thinking. It says there was another dog in the room too. Weird.
  • edited November -1
    Whoa. A bear broker into her house and killed her!!! HOLY. I can definitely see a bear breaking into someone's house to get into the kitchen, but instead, walked into her bedroom and killed her?? That's insane.

    Dave: I would've totally freaked out!
  • edited November -1
    Shigeru - That story is crazy! You would think the dog would have heard/smelled the cat... but then again I have read a lot on LGDs and with LGDs, when they are guarding a flock, it is usually the flock that sees/smells/hears a predator and warns the dogs. So maybe dogs are great at knowing where/when prey are around but not so much with predators???

    I think renting out KBDs is an interesting idea. lol.

    Barbara - It's crazy isn't it? My response to that story, when the gentleman told me sounded kinda skeptical and he noticed - he assured me it was true and he was skeptical when he heard it as well but the ranger that told him showed him assured him it was the truth. He also said that the bears would monitor areas where people lived and only enter houses that had the lights turned off. Pretty crazy!

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  • edited November -1
    Shigeru - That is crazy! We had labs on the farm when i was younger, and they always let us know when there was anything threatening around, particluarly at night (and they were with us). Besides, you'd think the other dog would at least react in some manner??

    I had a friend who worked as a ranger for a while. He once had to help track down a mountain lion and her cubs because on several occasions the mother was spotted teaching the cubs to stalk hikers.
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