Grapes.. how many are toxic?

tsukitsunetsukitsune
edited November 2008 in General
Tsuki is approx 18lbs and was running in a tennis court today and found a pile of dried vine grapes and scarfed down about 3-5 before we could stop her.
She was fine then about 6 hours later after our evening walk she came in and vomited ALL of what she had eaten today including pieces of the grapes.

I'm not sure whether or not to take her to the e-vet because I'm not sure if her vomiting was from over playing or in response to the grape ingestion.

Any insight? How many/what kind of grapes are toxic?
Thank you

Comments

  • ljowen123ljowen123
    edited November -1
    I have no idea.
  • HarlowHarlow
    edited November -1
    You might want to read this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grape_and_raisin_toxicity_in_dogs
  • MommyofNikoMommyofNiko
    edited November -1
    I would at the very least call the vet, especially with the vomiting.
  • HeidiHeidi
    edited November -1
    My rule is: If in doubt, call the vet and follow their instructions. There have been times when I've been panicking and I call the vet and they say don't worry unless this this and this happen. Then I can relax and I know what to watch for. Or, if it IS a big deal, you want to know right away and not have to guess.
  • tsukitsunetsukitsune
    edited November -1
    we called the e-vet who preferred we call poison control who advised us to watch her water intake and vomit/stool. If she has diahrea or more vomiting into tomorrow we're taking her to the e-vet.
    Its a little scary, something as seemingly harmless as wild vine grapes.. but right now she's sleeping so I'm just going to watch for any harmful renal indications.

    Thanks for the wiki link, it has more definitive info than most websites!!
  • okironokiron
    edited November -1
    Well to give you some positive news, when we first got Bacon (the family dog) my mother didn't know grapes were toxic to dogs so she'd give him grapes now and then because he loved them. She obviously doesn't do it anymore but he's 8 years old going on 9 with no issues whatsoever with his health and he was about a year old when we were doing it.
  • tsukitsunetsukitsune
    edited November -1
    well that is positive news! my mom's dog (honey, terrier mix 11lbs) has probably eaten quite a few grapes in her lifetime and she's 14! extra survival stories help - thank you!!!!

    Tsuki ate this AM then had normal 'business' on her walk so I'm staying positive as long as that food stays down!!
  • kwyldkwyld
    edited November 2008
    I used to give my dogs raisins/grapes once in awhile a long time ago before I knew they were toxic and they don't seem to have any renal issues from it to date. I'm glad Tsuki is acting normal, she'll probably be fine, that's probably good that she vomited pieces of them that day. Another survival story: my co-worker's 55 lb dog ate an entire loaf or raisin cinnamon bread with ICING and stayed here for a few days on fluids, and his renal panels are normal.
  • SangmortSangmort
    edited November -1
    Aww glad to hear Tsuki's feeling better!

    I had no idea grapes were toxic for dogs. :( ~
  • lindsaytlindsayt
    edited November -1
    Well, all I can say is I have seen breeds like dachshunds and labs develop facial edema, trouble swallowing and hives over the entire body within minutes of eating just a few grapes. This is the sort of reaction that I would say merits going to the e-vet or your regular vet within minutes for antihystamines. I don't recall any other issues with grape eating other than hives and swelling which were succesfully treated with benadryl. It's probably good she vomited.
  • brandon_wbrandon_w
    edited November -1
    I think it takes a lot of grapes to become toxic. I hope Tsuki is doing better toady.
  • tsukitsunetsukitsune
    edited December 2008
    Lindsay: The reason I panicked is because if left untreated, there have been several cases where dogs rapidly develop acute renal failure! Our emergency vet told us to watch for signs of abdominal distress, no eating, additional vomiting and increased fluid intake. She had none of the above since she vomited thank God.

    She is doing much better, she's eating and doing everything else normal. PHEW!
    Be wary of grapes (and raisins)!!!!
  • lindsaytlindsayt
    edited November -1
    Gosh, I guess somehow I missed learning of renal failure being associated with grapes among other things. Glad she is better, close call.
  • JessicaRabbitJessicaRabbit
    edited November -1
    http://www.vetinfo4dogs.com/dtoxin.html#Grape and raisin poisonings in Dogs
  • dlrobertsdlroberts
    edited November -1
    Wow. I'm very late, but I'm glad Tuski seems to be doing well.

    I just wanted to mention, for those of you who have your dog microchipped....If you register with Home Again for $15/year you get unlimited free calls to the ASPCA poison control line (which can cost $60/call if you don't have a membership). I have it programed in my cellphone just in case.
  • okironokiron
    edited November -1
    Thanks Dave, I didn't know that.
  • tsukitsunetsukitsune
    edited November -1
    hmm... i wonder if Avid or Petrac have that option? Thats who we are registered with.
  • JessicaRabbitJessicaRabbit
    edited November -1
    thanks! I didn't know that
  • ShikokuSpiritShikokuSpirit
    edited November -1
    I've probably fed Lynx more then just 5 grapes as a pup! Thank goodness no ill effects what so ever. Of course I find out after the fact that they are poisonness.

    Tsuki should be fine.

    Since when does one have to pay an outrageous price for a phone call? I don't get it, tis very strange to me.
  • JessicaRabbitJessicaRabbit
    edited November -1
    The reason the phone call costs so much is you actually speak WITH vets. I have used them 3 times and they are worth every penny.
  • tsukitsunetsukitsune
    edited November -1
    I've used the poison control once (a foster licked drain-o) and it was worth the $$ as well! Saved us both!

    Tsuki's still doing well :)
  • baantonbaanton
    edited November -1
    I'm so glad Tsuki is OK! Good thinking to check in with the vet immediately, especially with the vomiting. Seems like like maybe the vomiting was for the best before the digestive process allowed the toxins to course through her body.

    I did not know grapes were toxic, either, until I joined this forum. When our former dog, Joe, was young he loved to eat grapes (well, at least like to take them from the kids when they threw them to him... perhaps just a great big game to him!). I worried that he would choke on one, so I made our kids cut them in half before they threw them to Joe. He would catch them in his mouth, and then down the hatch they'd go! He never seemed to have any ill effects (none of the symptoms your vet said to watch out for). We used to call him the Minnesota Mutt, meaning that through the years and generations of "natural selection" and inter-breed mixing he seemed he could handle just about anything -- maybe that made him immune to the ill effects of grapes! Anyway, no grapes in Josephine's life --- she has seemed to have a much more sensitive stomach in a lot of ways compared to Joe --- maybe our theory about him was right!
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