Question about Creamie Shibas

KFontaine04KFontaine04
edited January 2009 in Shiba Inu (柴犬)
Do all cream shiba's noses turn pink?

When does this happen?

Sake's nose is all black, but she is only 5 months old. Just wondering.

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  • LeonbergerLeonberger
    edited November -1
    Although I don't know how it is with cream Shibas, a lot of light haired dogs might have unpigmented noses, loads of breeds even have it mentioned in their standards.
    White Akitas are one of those breeds. It's possible, but it doesn't mean it will happen.
  • tsukitsunetsukitsune
    edited November -1
    I asked Brad this when I first joined because I saw pics of Maui and thought "will Tsuki's nose turn pink?". tsuki's nose was black up until she was almost a year old then it started to turn mocha brown and now is top center pink and the rest brown. She's getting there.

    I think by the time they are 2-3 years old they should have their pinkie :)
  • lindsaytlindsayt
    edited November -1
    It is desired (but not required) in the shiba standard to have pigmented skin and nose leather, however, I agree with Rui that where light haired dogs are concerned, there is a more natural tendency for them to have lightly pigmented skin. Part of it is also genetics. She may keep her black nose. Sake is very cute.
  • KFontaine04KFontaine04
    edited November -1
    I hope it stays black, it's a cute little button nose now. I was just wondering because she does have some "pinkie" at the top center of her nose now. I didn't know if that would expand. I guess we will have to wait and see!

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  • LeonbergerLeonberger
    edited November -1
    If it's already turning pink, I'd say chances are it will go pink...
    You can always try dying it! (joke)
  • KFontaine04KFontaine04
    edited January 2009
    LOL Rui! Hmm...black sharpie marker maybe?!?!?!?


    It hasn't been going pink, it was just a little pink since the day she was born. I haven't seen any change in the amount of pink though.
  • tsukitsunetsukitsune
    edited November -1
    I didn't want Tsuki's to go pink at first either, but now it's endearing :)
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    From Tsuki
  • KFontaine04KFontaine04
    edited November -1
    CAPTION:

    "I don't know what a Chummie is but they sure got the yummy part right...give me more!"

    I will love Sake no matter what color her nose turns of course!

    Tsuki is my second creamie love.
  • miketmiket
    edited November -1
    Remy's nose is pretty pink, I think it's pretty cute.

    While we're talking creamies, Kristin, weren't you talking about Sake getting redder a while back? I have definately noticed Remy getting way more red in some areas (back legs, tail, ears) and his skunk stripe is getting darker and wider. I wonder how much of redder/darker he'll get?
  • SangmortSangmort
    edited November -1
    How old is Remy again, Mike? ~
  • KFontaine04KFontaine04
    edited November -1
    Yes Mike, Sake is getting redder. She has a defanate red "skunk" stripe that runs from the top of her head to the base of her tail. She also has red on the back of her back legs and around her ears.

    It hasn't darkened much since the last time, only slightly. I will try and get a picture tonight when I get home.
  • tsukitsunetsukitsune
    edited November -1
    If Remy's just about a year or just over a year, then yeah, he'll get redder. Tsuki gets more red when she's about to begin blowing her coat.
  • miketmiket
    edited November -1
    Yes, Remy is just over a year. I've actually really noticed the colour change at the rear.
  • KFontaine04KFontaine04
    edited November -1
    I was trying to go through some old pictures to find the color change progression. Here is what I have come up with:

    Sake at 7 weeks old:
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    Sake when we first got her at 8 weeks old (you can see some red here):
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    10 Weeks old:
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    At 16 weeks:
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    Approx 18 Weeks:
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    And now at 5 Months old:
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  • miketmiket
    edited November -1
    Sake is way redder than Remy...he just has some red highlights
  • SangmortSangmort
    edited November -1
    That is why, I believe, they are called "Cream" instead of white :) ~
  • KFontaine04KFontaine04
    edited November -1
    This woman once asked if she was an albinio husky puppy and to confuse her I told her she was a "red haired cream nihon ken".

    She walked away...maybe it was my tone of voice?
  • NekopanNekopan
    edited January 2009
    Genetics of coat colour in Shibas isn't very well understood, but it's widely accepted that cream is a dilution of red. Any canine with the dilution gene will sport a liver-coloured nose. Read more about Shiba and urajiro here.

    This is a great resource if you're interested in knowing more about dog colour genetics.
  • KFontaine04KFontaine04
    edited November -1
    Thanks Kyla! Good info!
  • SangmortSangmort
    edited November -1
    I think Maui has the most red out of all the creamies on here :) ~
  • SangmortSangmort
    edited November -1
    I just wanted to add, maybe because he's older? ~
  • KFontaine04KFontaine04
    edited November -1
    So I measured Sake last night and would you belive she is near 14 inches! Yowza, that is a tall girl!
  • tsukitsunetsukitsune
    edited November -1
    wow! she is a tall girl! and she's not even done growing!!!!

    Cream shiba images do not do their unique color patterns justice, I think Tsuki has more muted red than white furs on her body, but in pics, between the natural light contrasts and the flash properties, its really hard to get a true to life depiction of her reds and her whites. She has a clear white spot (Ninja-like) on the back of her neck and the tip of her tail - it really brings out the red in comparison in her coat! You have to see a cream in person to understand the undefined colors!
  • SangmortSangmort
    edited November -1
    Wow, Sake is all legs then! :) ~
  • miketmiket
    edited November -1
    Too bad we can't get some REALLY good pics that show off that 'muted red'. I find pics don't really ever do coat colours justice.

    Osy, Remy is actually VERY white with some minor exceptions as I've mentioned before. He blends in with the snow almost perfectly (except those spotted red ears and pink nose that stand out). When I saw several other creamies close up at the last meetup, it really ocurred to me how 'cream' (i.e. not white) most of them actually are.
  • KFontaine04KFontaine04
    edited November -1
    I have some photos where you can't even see the red and others where Sake looks VERY red so it may be a play with the lights and everything. To me she just looks like a red/white skunk :P

    And yes Osy, she is ALL leggs just like her momma! (I have a 36" inseam :P)
  • SangmortSangmort
    edited November -1
    Awwww! :D ~
  • tsukitsunetsukitsune
    edited November -1
    This weekend of 4+ inches of snow, I was on a mission to get a good snow-cream shiba contrast picture. It still doesn't do the color justice, like this one, in unnatural light, her against the cream of tile and carpet:
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    but versus the snow in natural light, here's what I got:

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    against the snow, her redness really shows, right?

    And the pinkish nose:
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    From Tsuki
    even though creams aren't confined to any standards, they are still so unique in their colors!
  • SangmortSangmort
    edited November -1
    Awwww! I love Tsuki, she has the sweetest little face! :) ~
  • tobyshibatobyshiba
    edited November -1
    aww, I love the spot on the back of her neck. :)
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