Parasite Control Question...

LOL...I sometimes think I leave the vet w/ more questions than answers.

My biggest, is heartworm/parasite prevention. We've got Kahlo on Frontline Plus because we do go into wooded parks and will be going to Idaho (Tick City...my daughter nearly died from Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever from a tick!).

The Vet suggested Sentinal ....my question, is that overkill? Event the vet noted that she's not concerned for a PNW dog, but feared that a dog who travels through moses lake en-route to Idaho may be at risk, albeit low (especially since we don't stop...we make the trip in a day)....when I look at what's contained in Sentinal, I can't see putting my dog on a year round dose of the stuff for a nearly non-existant threat...Is it possible to do like two months (to cover the time we travel....and avoid 10 months of pesticide??). The vet was pretty adament that we put her on this.

Comments

  • edited November -1
    I agree that Sentinal is overkill. There are a number of holistic alternatives.
  • edited November -1
    Frontline doesn't really work for heartworm, so the pill is the best way for preventing it. We've been using both Frontline plus and Sentinal for our guys. We actually alternate weeks between the two(frontline week one, sentinal week three in a month), in the hopes that when one weakens the other kicks in and maintains continuous prevention/killing power.
  • edited November -1
    Hmmm...I shall look some up, do you have any suggestions off the top of your head??
  • edited November -1
    Brewers yeast, lavender, garlic, are all things you can add to your dogs diet that work effectively. You couldn't pay me to put Sentinal on my dogs. I agree the ingredients are far too scary (and toxic). I am meeting with my holistic vet next month and we are assembling our pest prevention plan.

    But she is passionate about staying away from those chemicals.

    I look at it this way, read the warnings if those things are ingested or even touched by children. Why would I intentionally put it on my furry kids.

    I used to advocate all of the preventatives. Not anymore.
  • edited November -1
    Frontline Plus - KILLS fleas and ticks
    http://frontline.us.merial.com/home/

    Heartguard - Heartworm 'preventative', also prevents roundworms, hookworms
    http://heartgard.us.merial.com/home/

    Interceptor - heartworm 'preventative', also prevents roundworms, hookworms and whipworms
    http://www.interceptor.novartis.us/

    Sentinel - sterilizes, but does not kill fleas. Prevents heartworms, roundworms, hookworms, whipworms
    http://www.sentinelpet.com/index.html

    You have to consider where you live and the rate of parasitic infection in canines in your area/areas you travel to. Ask your vet or google for "rate of Heartworm infection in [your city] and [your state]", "rate of round/hook/whip worm" and "rate of tick and flea".
    We give our dogs Frontline Plus between April and October (not when the ground is frozen). I also only give Interceptor once every 4 months, since it kills the baby worms, doing it this way does not give them a chance to sexually mature. This is just my personal preventative plan, though.

    Honestly, while Sentinel might seem like overkill, I suppose the idea is to get coverage in an all in one tablet rather than take two separate meds at full dose (such as frontline plus + heartguard, rather than one sentinel). It has its purpose.

    Also, consider that all dogs handle these things differently. For instance, I wouldn't give Heartguard to a collie breed as they tend to develop seizures/heart issues on that med vs. interceptor.. some dogs have reactions to meds like Advantix (which is harmful to cats!) or Advantage while tolerating Frontline Plus just fine. With a product like Sentinel, its an all in one, so either you greatly reduce reaction or risk high reaction.
  • edited March 2009
    thought I would share this map of heartworm distribution throughout the US
  • edited November -1
    I use Frontline on Beebe rarely and Ike takes Comfortis because we travel frequently around Washington and Oregon going to shows/dog events. I would prefer not using chemicals, but I don't trust the efficacy of herbals in all situations although they seem a safer option to use year round, with maybe a dose of advantage or frontline here/there if you know you will be camping or if you are seeing fleas. I haven't (yet) had reason to begin heartworm preventatives in this area. If I were to travel to Cali or any Southern/Eastern states I would for that trip. I think I would just rather avoid the chemicals and use a more natural method or treat for worms/fleas as needed.

    Jessica-what have you found to be effective against ticks?
  • edited November -1
    The brewers yeast makes the dog less delicious so the tick is less inclined to latch on. Since frontline and the like don't prevent ticks (just kills them) I find examining my dogs head to toe happens regardless. Much easier with Piggy than Miko.
  • edited November -1
    Whichever method you choose to work for you, study it and understand it and take inventory of its effectiveness.
    Fleas are a nuisance, but they can lead to tapeworm infection, which is pretty gross.
    Ticks leave debilitating conditions by spreading Lymes and other fevers.
    Whipworms do irreversible damage to intestinal linings.
    Heartworms are much more invasive and dangerous than I realized, and no dog should ever have to go through the treatment of heartworms when effective, cheap preventatives exist.

    But are these all risks in the area you live in? Like certain vaccines, will you be around wild animal urine so your dog needs a Lepto shot once a year? Will you need Bordatella or will you not be around many dogs? Is the lymes vaccine more effective for you than using a tick killing application?

    Vets are great for general info, but they also have to pull a profit. Going in armed with basic background knowledge really helps your bottom line.

    Holistic solutions do work, but also rely on the total well being of the dog to work - an all around healthy dog wards off infestation naturally, their body is their best defense. Garlic and brewers yeast does work, I have a friend with a 5 year old chow that has never had a single flea or tick (and in NE PA, thats a miracle!). She's always been fed a natural (homecooked) diet and looks unbelievably healthy from the inside out. But there is also a limit on garlic consumption, as well.

    I'm finding that understand what the products available (both natural and pharmaceutical) do, weighing it against the risks, and making an educated decision for your individual dog is the best treatment plan you can offer your dog.
  • edited March 2009
    You will have to weigh what you feel is the right decision for your area or area you will be in and how much grooming and care you are willing to put forth to prevent an infestation of fleas and ticks. Note for a tick to be poisoned by the topical meds it must remain bitten into the dog for some duration of time and the topical meds must be absorbed into the skin I believe for at least several days when first starting to be affective. Some dogs do get sick from the topical meds. Eyes water/turn red, animal throws up/ off feed or just generally feels ill. The scent can be pretty overpowering too. For dogs that have immunity problems, seizures and or allergies we do not add any additional topical chemicals at all. It makes it too difficult to assess how reactions occur. In any case, usually we end up getting the ticks off the dogs before it has bitten in because we groom so often.

    However, we do always give the monthly preventative meds for Heart Worm. I know of some dogs who do have problems with Heartgard - ivermection so read the insert for adverse symptoms. Some can not tolerate that medication at all.

    Snf
  • edited November -1
    What are your personal opinions on Revolution?
  • edited November -1
    We have not use Revolution on our own dog, but have had to use it on a rescue dog that was being treated for Sarcoptic mange. I think it is rather strong and given our grooming and cleaning regime I feel we don't need it for our own circumstances. It is believed that Sarcoptic mange can be transmitted from fox to canine so if you have a bald fox running through your area then maybe I would consider it. It is a pretty sad sight so you should know it when you see it .... It will actually be the demise of the fox eventually.

    Snf
  • edited November -1
    Selamectin (revolution) seems - for dogs - to cover fleas, ticks, ear mites, sarcoptic mange and heartworms. It does not cover roundworms, hookworms or whipworms. The good is that it kills the fleas and the eggs vs. sterilze (and not kill) like Sentinel.

    For me, it seems like a wide range of coverage that I don't feel my dog needs monthly (mange, mites) and doesn't cover what I would like to protect against (round/hook worms).
    Also, from their website:
    "While the number of circulating adult D. immitis microfilariae may decrease following treatment, Revolution is not effective for microfilariae clearance."
    Which for me is crucial... the way to prevent (adult) heartworm infestation is to kill all microfilariae, which heartguard and interceptor do.

    Just my opinion on what my dogs need/don't need, though.
  • edited November -1
    I use revolution as more of a medicate to fix issue rather than as a preventative. They will kill a house full of fleas or an outbreak of ear mites in a day. We've only had an issue with both once so meh, I don't know what I'll do if we have dogs and their preventative. Still on the researching boat.
  • edited November -1
    I was talking to a vet tech friend of mine about this stuff, and she mentioned one I hadn't heard of
    Vectra 3D
    http://www.drugs.com/vet/vectra-3d.html

    It seems more intense than I like, I wouldn't use it, and it is not recommended for cats. But just putting it out there for research.
  • edited November -1
    well, this timely discussion helped me realize one thing this weekend: We're switching to Advantix! Repel and kill is much better than just kill.

    http://www.advantix.info/Repel-Kill-advantix-R-is-differ.1881.0.html

    An interested little study: of the four dogs romping together this weekend, the only ones to get ticks are the ones NOT on advantix (my two, naturally).
  • edited November -1
    Oh no! I hope they are ok.
  • edited November -1
    Do you guys get anything like the Scalibor collar around there?
    It's a white plastic collar with deltametrine, that supposedly acts through evaporation on the dogs body and is (according to what I've read) very deadly to pretty much all insects, sop they say it protects aginst fleas and ticks too. It's supposedly safe for dogs, even if ingested.

    Kuma gets a new one every 4 months, although they say it's effective against mosquitoes for 6 months. You might have seen it in photos of him.
    But I am paranoid about Leishmaniosis, so better safe than sorry. We also have mosquito nets on every window and those get sprayed with BioKill (a warm blood animal safe, biodegradable insecticide) every 3 weeks or so during wars months.
  • edited November -1
    hm, never saw that collar, but then I never considered using a collar. I will look into it, though. Repelling ticks and mosquitos is a great selling point to me.
  • edited November -1
    That collar is available in Europe only it says...I wonder what the equivallent here would be.
  • edited November -1
    I tried searching "deltametrine dog collar" and came up with nothing in the US... will keep looking!
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