Shikoku breeders in Japan?

Two SocksTwo Socks
edited April 2009 in Shikoku Ken (四国犬)
Does anyone have any information on Shikoku breeders in Japan ?.I have a friend that lives in France & wants to travel to Japan in search of a shikoku.I told her I would throw this question out and see if we can help her!

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  • EdgewoodEdgewood
    edited November -1
    You may want to contact Katja at Akashima Kennels, as she has imported Shikoku from Japan. Corina (Shikokuspirit) also has imported Shikoku.
  • Reno&RicoReno&Rico
    edited November -1
    It's a lot of paperwork, if they are willing to let you do it. It is officially forbiden, is my information. Since the dogs are Japanese heritage.
    I wrote to the Japanese club, that's what they told me. This is their message: We do not Export Shikoku dogs to other countries. Because they are considered traditional Family dog in Japan.
    If they go to other country for breeding. We will not know about problems for Shikokudogs in other countries.
    Sounds like not easy to go around their regulations, unless you have the right contacts.
  • tsukitsunetsukitsune
    edited November -1
    Corina (shikokuspirit) has imported two Shikoku from Japan - perhaps she'll pop in this thread?
  • yukidomariyukidomari
    edited August 2009
    It's not officially forbidden; it's up to breeder preference. The dogs are considered National Monuments, but so are all the other Japanese spitze. Exporting dogs into the US is much easier than importing dogs into designated rabies-free regions (Japan is one). France is not considered a rabies-free region, but I am sure that the dog will have to fulfill EU import guidelines which may include mandatory microchip, rabies vaccinations and vet checks before exportation, and mandatory quarantine upon arrival.


    As for breeders.. I haven't found so many online with pages like many US breeders do, so we have started email exchanges with different groups, but depending on your knowledge, or your friends' knowledge, of the Japanese language, it may be difficult. The few we have spoken to seemed open to exporting dogs.
  • Reno&RicoReno&Rico
    edited November -1
    That's good news. But in the case of importing a puppy, I understand the microchip, but what about the rabies vaccination? For an 8 week old pup, it is unlikely it ever left the place he/she was borne. And it isn't really healthy to vaccinate at all, let alone a puppy. What is your opinion on this?
  • yukidomariyukidomari
    edited August 2009
    No rabies vaccination is required on a dog leaving Japan (only coming back/entering). Most countries either excuse the rabies vaccs on very young dogs (varies widely by all countries - some say 3 months, other say 10 wks, etc), and other outright don't allow young puppies to enter. I believe Great Britain does not allow dogs under 10 months old into the country.

    As for France, they require rabies vaccinations on all dogs, even those younger than 3 months old. The consulate specifically says, "Since 28 May 2004, pets who are under three months old and not vaccinated against rabies are not allowed to enter into France".. so there you have it!
  • Reno&RicoReno&Rico
    edited November -1
    Okay, thx, I will find out about my country. I hope we don't have funny regulations like in the UK. But will ask and post here. Maybe I can be lucky!
  • ShikokuSpiritShikokuSpirit
    edited November -1
    The advice that I always give is to go to the big NIPPO show in November. There will be Shikoku breeders there and others that may know of any current or upcoming Shiku litters. If you do not speak Japanese or do not speak it very well, you should bring a friend who can translate for you. I think it is much easier to do in person. And this way the breeder gets to meet you and you the breeder. You will have much better chance of getting a "quality" puppy. By "quality", I mean in terms of conformation & temperment. If you are looking to get a "active pet", which I imagine most of you are, then conformation may not be too much of an issue (so long as the dog can function without damaging fault and is sound), however...the temperment is still a major one.

    If you can speak Japanese fluently, then it may be possible to import through e-mails, phone calls & letters. If the breeder feels that you will provide a good home for puppy. However, if language barrier is an issue...your best bet would be to go to Japan and start making those connections.

    I'm still planning on importing 2-3 more Shikoku sometime between late this year, next and 2011. I will continue to do so "in person". I'm thinking that I might take some time and look for some other breeders of various Shiku pedigree lines.

    I went to Japan and met up with a breeder AND his dogs in person. Then a year later I went back and acquired a puppy from him. He did not know how to export or ship puppy, as he's never done so before. I would suspect that most Japanese Shikoku breeders do not have experience with this. I had help with the export paperwork from some friends. After doing it once, the second time was easy! It's not very difficult at all.


    So...all in all...if you don't speak Japanese...adopt a Japanese friend, visit Japan and go to the November NIPPO show -smiles-.
  • TheWalrusTheWalrus
    edited November -1
    Yes. Everyone come to the NIPPO show so we can all hang out :)

    The show's on the 11th and 12th of November...
  • SangmortSangmort
    edited November -1
    Shigeru...I wish!!! ~
  • yukidomariyukidomari
    edited November -1
    Unfortunately, given work schedules, we're never able to go home unless its over the holidays in December-January.. so we will miss the NIPPO show this year, too.
  • okironokiron
    edited November -1
    I wonder how much cheaper a group rate to Japan would be... :P
  • baantonbaanton
    edited November -1
    Uh.... looks like its official --- we will have to all think about / plan a meet-up in Japan at the NIPPO show. Guess it may be difficult to bring the pups, but thr journey would something to strive for!

    Shigeru: What area of Japan hosts the show?
  • ShikokuSpiritShikokuSpirit
    edited August 2009
    It changes each year!

    In 2006 it was in Nagano
    In 2007 it was in Kumamoto
    In 2008 it was in Tokyo?
    This year it's in.......Kyoto????

    I'm voting for a 2010 forum meet up :) .
  • CaliaCalia
    edited November -1
    Oooo, that would be cool, always wanted to go to Japan. My friend was able to go there through a college school trip. She stayed there for a month and payed $3000 for everything (minus free spending) thanks to a host family program. Maybe I should start looking for a college that does that around NIPPO show time
  • lingmortonlingmorton
    edited November -1
    i think there is a show on oct 25th in Kanagawa. im trying to go to that one :)
  • TheWalrusTheWalrus
    edited November -1
    Truth be told I probably won't make it to Nippo this year. Kyoto is a bit far... would rather spend the cash and time to get more hunting in with Haru.

    There's the Tokyo regional on the 11th of October, and I'm going to try and make it to that. Might make Kanagawa as well.
  • yukidomariyukidomari
    edited November -1
    Haha, after having commuted between US states for college, I feel like the distances between all the major cities on Honshu are pretty darn close to one another..
  • okironokiron
    edited November -1
    Haha yeah...the earliest I'm getting to Japan is 2012. Going to wait till Micah is 3 till we take him for the first time.
  • KFontaine04KFontaine04
    edited November -1
    I went to Japan (Hokkaido) when I was in eighth grade through a school exchange program. It was AWESOME. I really want to go back and see where my father was born (Osaka) and see other parts of Japan, but it probably won't happen for another 3-5 years.
  • yukidomariyukidomari
    edited November -1
    Kristin, Osaka, in my highly biased opinion, is the best. ;)
  • KFontaine04KFontaine04
    edited November -1
    Jing, that place holds a special place in my heart. Even though I have never been there, it is the beginning of my father's life story and I can't wait for the day I get to see it with my own eyes.
  • Reno&RicoReno&Rico
    edited December 2009
    Hello Dave, meanwhile you got your gorgeous puppy from Japan, what about your friends from France? Did they succeed as well? Otherwise, the Egmato Kennel in the Netherlands has two Shikoku's pregnant and expect several puppies, I think 5 or 6 in the coming months. It might be much easier for them to contact this kennel. Just don't know about the availability since I do know they have kind of a waiting list. But puppies will come with all official pedegrees ( FCI )One of the pregnant dogs, Saiki, became World Champion, last time in Slovakia (2009). I will enclose a picture of her… You may see her very high end quality, she is superb!
  • Two SocksTwo Socks
    edited November -1
    Nico, I just got an E-mail from her, and yes she has found her puppies she is just waiting forthem to come of age .She intends to be a breeder so she is getting them from two dfferent breeders. I hope cali reads this post she might be very interested in your find! :)
  • Reno&RicoReno&Rico
    edited November -1
    Wow, big plans than, I found it not to be easy at all to do anything like this. Having two shikoku's doesn't mean you will get decent offspring. It seems pretty risky; I have heart too many stories of this kind. I'm very happy with all advises I got from the Egmato Kennel. And we will leave the breeding to them, since they have around 10 years of experience and proved to produce very high-grade dogs. Well, maybe she should join this forum, I got many great advises here, also very useful. The breed is way to precious to make mistakes and getting dogs that are not of a high standard. But maybe she has really high quality advise and support from Japan, which can be very helpful. I know even the Egmato kennel still has very good contacts in Japan and get perfect advise for their breeding program. Shousei will be part of that. So we actually feel we are very happy to participate with this very interesting program, having a very nice and sweet dog, and of very high quality. I guess we don't even recognize yet the unique qualities Shousei has, but we left it entirely up to the Japanese breeder and the Egmato kennel to decide what would be a strategic choice for them; so we '"wind up" with a gorgeous dog with very nice character.
  • tahoerobtahoerob
    edited November -1
    Hello everyone. I've been lurking here for a while as I'm very interested in adding a Shikoku to my little family. :) I'm traveling to Japan in February for a few weeks of skiing. We're starting on Hokkaido and working our way down to Tokyo and plan to hit a few resorts along the way. I've wanted to visit Japan for quite some time now and I'm very excited to finally go!

    I live on Lake Tahoe and have a five year old Shiba named Wasabi. He's great, very sweet, loyal, kind, gentle, and relatively obedient by Shiba standards. We do a lot of long distance backpacking in the summer (High Sierra, Wind River, Trinity Alps, etc). We've been out for several weeks at a time. Wasabi just loves it. I'm amazed by his strength and endurance. He gets to run off leash until he can't run anymore, hunt all sorts of little critters, cool off in the lakes and streams we pass, climb peaks (this summer we bagged Fremont Peak in WY, nearly 14k feet...I'm guessing Wasabi is probably the first Shiba to summit the peak!), and then cuddle up in my sleeping bag at night. It's a good life. In the winter, we do a lot of snowshoeing and backcountry skiing. He loves that just as much, perhaps more, as snow is one of his favorite things.

    I'm interested in getting a companion for Wasabi. I had been considereding another Shiba, but once I discovered the Shikoku a few years ago, I knew that was the next dog for me. I wanted to wait until Wasabi was a little older before I took on dog #2 and I think the time is right now. I know that any dog, Shikoku or otherwise, that comes to live with me will have a pretty rocking life. So, where to find a Shikoku?

    This thread has provided some great advice. I wish I'd known about the Nippo show. Does anyone know if there are any shows between February 12 and early March where I could meet Shikoku breeders? Are there any breeder listings, magazines, or guides of any kind that might put me in touch with a breeder? I have a good Japanese friend who is willing to translate and perhaps even join me in Japan for the non-skiing part of the trip. I can adjust my itinerary and would be more than willing to travel to whatever part of the country is necessary to meet a breeder.

    I'd appreciate any further resources, even Japanese language ones (my friend will translate), that any of you are able to share. Best wishes for the holidays and the new year!

    -Rob
  • TheWalrusTheWalrus
    edited December 2009
    Hi, Rob.

    If you're going to be over here, and have someone that can help translate for you, just have them call Nippo (Nihonken Hozonkai). If you mention that you're looking for a Shikoku they will probably be able to introduce you to a breeder. Just be sure to mention that you're going to be taking it back to the States with you. If you have any other questions, feel free to mail me at the address in my profile.

    Welcome to the forum!

    Nippo website: http://www.nihonken-hozonkai.or.jp/


    Also there are a few Nippo regionals during Feb/March

    February 21st: Kanagawa
    February 28th: Tochigi
    March 7th: Gunma
    March 22nd: Chiba

    These are all in the Kanto area, if you contact Nippo they can give you details on the rest of the country.
  • SayaSaya
    edited November -1
    Wow Rob your shiba inu sounds lucky to have a owner like you to go hiking with like that! My shiba inu Saya loves hiking in my forest area going up hills and down them she loves it it's amazing how tough shiba inu can be!

    I wish you luck on your search for a Shikoku. =)
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