Rat Poison

edited June 2009 in General
Hey Guys,

Scary moment in my Shiba Inu ownership (or being owned?). So if you read my Jada The Shiba thread, I explained how we had moved to a new place. Jenny and I came back from the gym and she went to do some web work while I took a shower. We both basically came out to the kitchen after hearing a fight break out between the dogs. What they were fighting over dropped our jaws...

Apparently my landlord decided to put Rat Poison underneath the radiators without telling us. Pong Pong got it out and started eating it like cereal and Jada jumped in.

I went nuts and called Poison Control who told me to get some hydrogen peroxide and to give a tablespoon for every 10lbs the dog is and than bring them into the Vet. I ran to the store really quickly and came back but only gave each 1 tablespoon because I wasn't 100% sure. Needless to say, Pong and Jada both puked a whole lot of green shit out within 5 minutes.

After seeing how much came out, we immediately drove to the 24/7 Vet Care center and had them administer charcoal. Jenny had to drive back because we forgot to bring the canister the poison was in and animal poison control needed it to figure out what chemicals and dosages was in it.

Thankfully, all that they need is Vitamin K for 30 days and than a checkup to make sure the blood is coagulating normally. The other thing the vet was telling me was mental issues with certain poisons over time and that scared me.

In 30 days we'll know if everything is okay but Jenny and I remain positive and optimistically cautious.

In case this ever happens to you guys remember:

1 tablespoon of hydroperoxide for every 10 lbs
BRING the poison / puke to the VET with you (duh on our part)
Animal poison control (instead of me calling regular poison control duh again on me)

I'm calling my landlord tomorrow with a mouthful. And he better admit to it or at least tell me where there might be more rat poison.
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  • edited November -1
    OMG!!!!!


    SO sorry to hear this!!! Thank God you guys got to them in time!!! Please, keep us updated! I hope they get well. <3 ~
  • edited November -1
    Wow, how horrifying. You did the right thing. Sounds like they will be ok, fingers crossed. Better go hunt for the rest of the poison.
  • edited November -1
    Holy moly, glad everything turned out alright. How scary.
  • edited November -1
    I am glad your dogs are okay.

    Might I suggest handing your landlord the vet bill and informing him that since he poisoned your dogs, by doing this without your consent, you will not be paying your rent until the balance is evened out....
  • edited November -1
    Good to read your kids are ok. That must have been quite a fright.

    I like Jessica's suggestion.
  • edited November -1
    Wow. What a terrifying evening. I also agree with what Jessica said. For being so dense your landlord should pay.

    I hope that both dogs are doing well this morning.
  • edited November -1
    My dad's dalmation mix has eaten rat poison twice in his life, and he had some permanent nerve(?) damage that caused him to walk on the tops of his hind feet for months. It was heartbreaking to watch him not be able to correct his own stance and then walk around like nothing was wrong. And he was an outside dog and mostly lived on concrete and gravel... I just can't imagine having to go through that.

    Good job for catching it early and preventing any long term effects!
  • edited November -1
    Wow, I think for this instance that it was a good thing that they had a fight or who knows how much of the poison they could have eaten.
  • edited November -1
    Well, after they both puked we realized that Pong Pong had eaten a ton of it whereas Jada had a fair amount but nowhere near what Pong ate. I'm so mad still about the whole thing. I appreciate everyone's comments.

    My biggest issue with "watching" them is for them being lethargic. MY DOGS SLEEP ALL DAY ROUTINELY!!! How am I suppose to know the difference :-P!
  • edited November -1
    If they are lethargic you would know the difference. Get out their favorite treats and call them over. If they hustle like usual, then they are not lethargic. If they are slow to get up, come slowly, or don't come at all you could call that lethargic.
  • edited November -1
    Good call, Brandon.
  • edited November -1
    Wow... That must have been a scary evening. Hopefully, since you were able to catch them in the act and get them to the vet so quickly, everything will be okay.

    And I totally agree with Jessica. Your landlord needs to pay the vet bill. Having poison in a home is dangerous enough if the resident knows it is there... Even more dangerous if the resident is unaware of it.

    Keep us updated on how Jada and Pong Pong are doing.
  • edited November -1
    that's horrible. I would definitely have your land lord foot the vet bill. You should check local regulations about pesticides too. She may have had a legal obligation to inform you of the rat poison.
  • edited November -1
    I would sue my landlord!
  • edited November -1
    I'm glad you caught them in time I can't believe your landlord did that without your permission I hope he pays the bills know one should set up any type of poison without telling you and anyone else especially if you have dogs or small kids!

    That's one reason I keep hydrogen peroxide in my house at all times incase it's needed in something like this.

    I hope your two dogs do well I'm sure they will be fine since you got them in time and took them to the vet and stuff please inform us on how they're doing.
  • edited November -1
    The problem is that the Rat Poison was placed before I had moved in. Hell, as far as I know, it could've been there for months. I read up on what he is and isn't liable for and in this situation with my towns pesticide regulations he had all right to place that there and since I moved in after the fact, I can't take him up for anything. Although, I will try.
  • edited November -1
    That's scary. there are really a lot of risks out there. When we got Twix from the shelter it had rained recently. She stopped in the parking to lap at a puddle that was underneath an 80's Chevy Redneck truck (not that there's anything wrong with redneck trucks!). I quickly ran over and pulled her away, explaining to my daughter, who was leading her at the time, the risks of letting her drink parking lot water.

    I would take an initially reasonable approach with your landlord. Take the emotion out of it and deal with just the objective issues. Some states have laws that allow the landlord free access to your apartment, others require notice prior to entering, and still others require that they offer the reasons for entering. Don't make threats you can't follow through on. You still have to live there and he's still in charge.

    Either way, if he has other properties he probably did this same thing elsewhere. It would be good to let him know so he can take care of potential issues with other tenants that have pets that might be poisoned.

    Good luck! FYI, for everyone else, here is some info on the National Animal Poison control center:

    http://www.aspca.org/pet-care/poison-control/
    (888) 426-4435. A $60 consultation fee may be applied to your credit card.

    There may be other options, this is the one I found on a quick search.
  • edited November -1
    You can also sign up to get a free ASPCA safety pack which comes with a magnet with the Poison Control # on it

    http://www.aspca.org/about-us/free-aspca-stuff/free-pet-safety-pack.html
  • edited June 2009
    That is very scary.....A least you had a box with the ingredients and some quick thinking. Wishing all things will go well from here on out!!!

    Snf

    Thanks for the reminders and poison control info....

    Depending on the poison ingested the treatment will vary. Others type of poison you do not induce vomiting.

    In this case with the Warfarin poisoning keep an eye out for rodents that have died and desiccated under the refridge etc. sometimes the dogs end up digging them out. Often rodents come crawling out in delirium just before they die and the dogs will pluck them off. Thus your pets can still have secondary poisoning after ingesting a snack indirectly . Be on the look out since you have no idea where that other bait is. It could be in the attic or behind floor base boards that easily come loose.

    It might be a good idea to ask the landlord where he places his bait so you can go to those places and scoop up. Garage and outdoor border areas that are nooks for trashcans are often hazard zones too.

    People get carried away, even our neighbors who also have dogs insist on throwing down bait in their garage.... I always worry that one of the rodents will get in our yard and our dogs will scoop them up as the critter is about the expire.
  • edited November -1
    OMG that's all I can say. My eyes are so big right now, and my jaw is dropped!
  • edited November -1
    Wow. What a scare! I hope they are both feeling better now.
  • edited November -1
    It's been about 3 1/2 days now since they ate the poison and all is well. Both didn't go through any lethargic moments or any behavior changes at all actually. I'm about 95% sure they will be okay. 5% is just my dad instincts worried obviously. Thanks for all the well-wishes and I hope somebody reads this one day and was able to find it useful!!
  • edited November -1
    Good to hear they are doing well.
  • edited November -1
    Great news!
  • edited November -1
    THat's 100% awesome. I'd hate for any long term effects with your dogs. Especialy Jada, she was such a happy shiba!
  • edited November -1
    That's good they're doing well now. =)
  • edited November -1
    I lost my last dog (JRT) to rat poison.

    Happy to hear you caught it early and the pups are okay.
  • edited November -1
    Oh wow, that is horrifying! I am so glad I live in a rat-free province. Your landlord should definitely pay the vet bill or give you a discount on your rent or something! I mean, sheesh! If I were a landlord, I would offer without even being asked, I mean really!
  • edited November -1
    Just give an update on the two brats. Both are doing fine and are taking their vitamin k chewables like champs. The landlord unfortunately cannot be held responsible since we do not have proof that he put it there. We don't really care about the money and are just glad that the girls are okay. Jada is a happy maniac as usual and pongy's still a toy finder and professional sleeper :)
  • edited June 2009
    I don't mean to sound all like "woohoo I am cooler than you" but this story me soooo happy I am paying a mortgage and am therefore, at least, my own landlord. Good god I would break a man's neck.

    Very glad to hear the dogs are okay.
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