Naive feeling - translation please

montanadoglovermontanadoglover
edited October 2009 in General
In the rather brief Kishu standard as is found on Carleen's (the only U.S. breeder) website, there is a curt line about temperament, sort of: "....with nobility and dignity in a naive feeling."

At first I assumed it was an awkward translation taken from the Japanese, and maybe it is.

Then I also found it in the Shikoku standard on the Canadian Shikoku Association website:

"BEHAVIOUR/TEMPERAMENT: A dog of marked endurance, keen in sense with a naive feeling, energetic and highly
alert; an enthusiastic hunter; docile towards his master."

So, what does "a naive" feeling mean? Does anyone know?

Comments

  • aykayk
    edited November -1
    Maybe they are referring to soboku?

    In Shibas, soboku is described this way:

    "beauty from seasoned maturity and modest appearance. Its expression is feeling of refined simplicity and sober elegance." - Journey Beyond Shibas website

    "Country girl beauty is the literal meaning of the term soboku. The Shiba is beautiful in a manner that is natural, not contrived or artificial. She has a beauty that is simple, yet elegant, unsophisticated, yet poised. The Shiba is "the girl next door" of the dog world. She is always present, loyal and faithful with natural beauty; she does not push herself forward with a beauty that is cosmetic or artificial. "What you see is what you get" typifies the Shiba and the term Soboku." - Shiba Inus: A Complete Pet Owner's Manual by Laura Payton.
  • ShikokuSpiritShikokuSpirit
    edited November -1
    "Naive" feeling...

    ...in other words the dog is with a simple mindedness of nature. Has a natural inclination or instictive feeling that is untainted by formal training.
  • ShikokuSpiritShikokuSpirit
    edited November -1
    Hahah! That DID NOT take me 21 minutes to write. Geez, my laptop is truely lagging :( . Stupid weak WiFi connection.
  • dlrobertsdlroberts
    edited November -1
    I suppose it could be interpreted a lot of ways. Going off of my Shiba Joey, who in many respects seems to share some behavioral characteristics with the Shikokus I have heard described by their owners, I would guess it could mean one of two things: 1) a suspicious attitude toward anything out of the ordinary; or 2) an unrelenting exuberance for the seemingly mundane. Both are somewhat of a stretch on the meaning of naive. Makes sense in my head anyway.
  • BradA1878BradA1878
    edited October 2009
    I read it as...

    keen in sense with a [complacent & inquisative] feeling.

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  • montanadoglovermontanadoglover
    edited November -1
    Ha! In other words, nobody really knows WHAT that means, but everyone has their own interpretation.

    Fair enough. Let the term remain however you want to interpret it. Nothing wrong with that!
  • KenshiKenshi
    edited November -1
    The only way to figure out what it "really" means is to find Japanese text and ask somebody bilingual to explain the kanji for us.

    I can tell you that I had Tomoe at obedience school for her first puppy kindergarten class and she was quite the mountain bumpkin. Really interested in the other dogs but not at all sure how to conduct herself.
  • KenshiKenshi
    edited November -1
    After talking to my wife about this, I am strongly of the opinion that "naive feeling" is an attempt at translating "soboku," which Ann mentioned above.

    Soboku refers to the "natural" character of the dog...uncontrived, primordial. The hand of nature is more apparent than the hand of man in form and personality. Basically what we around here mean when we call them "primitive" breeds.
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