Of Nihon Ken & Pools

edited January 2010 in General
Question time ;)

Hubby & I are looking at buying a home. We've seen about 20 so far [ in person, in 4 hours, EXHAUSTING! LOL ] & hopefully we're going to see some more on Sun.

Now, here's the crux. Living in Beautiful, Sunny, Hot, Orlando, Florida, we've definitely been looking at pool homes. Now the problem is, if you've been to Orlando, & been in a Orlando pool home, there is very little backyard / grass space.

The pools themselves are in-ground, screened in, with a ton of space around the pool itself, but it's not grass or anything. [ pool home backyard = 60% pool, 30% "ground," 10% unscreened / grassy area. ]

[ FTR, I'm trying to find a good middle, something with a pool, plus a bit of backyard space for the pups, but it's HARD! haha ]

So...if we do get a pool house & our pups, & we don't really have a back yard, am I going to need to put up one of those mesh fences around the pool? Do I have to worry about the dog "falling in" like a little kid?

& on that thought, can dogs in general swim in pools??? Or is the chlorine / chemicals unhealthy?


Sorry guys, they seem like silly questions, but I figure I should ask :p ~
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  • edited November -1
    I recommend the saline pools - a whole less chemicals to deal with, plus no overwhelming chlorine smell.
  • edited November -1
    the pool chemicals are not good for the dogs. Most dogs would not fall in, but if they like water they might jump in. I have a Shiba that plays in my koi pond all the time. She gets in to chase the frogs.
  • edited November -1
    20 homes in 4 hours? YIKES! I'm no mathematician but isnt that 5 houses an hour? and about 12 minutes per house IF you teleport? You're a buzzsaw! I must be a hacksaw, or maybe a rusty axe...last saturday I saw 3 homes in about 3 hours...
  • edited November -1
    That's a lot of houses, can't wait to see pics of the one you get:)

    In NY there's a law where even if you plan to never have anyone (kids, dogs,etc) in your backyard except yourself, there must be some sort of additional fence along the side of the pool facing the yard as well as fencing along the edge of the property by the pool.

    Some dogs do have to learn to be pool savvy, especially if you ever need to put the cover on it. With both my Aunt's GSD/Husky mix and my sister's Schipperke, they had accidentally walked onto the pool liner and freaked out. The Schipperke was small so he was able to run off, the mix was significantly bigger so he sagged the liner and couldn't figure out how to get off.

    Personally, I would put a fence up, not for the dogs sake, but you never know who will visit (with or without you knowing) or what could happen. The fence can serve as n extra precaution and should anything happen, shows that you tried your best to keep safety in mind.


    Chlorine isn't really the greatest for anyone. I've heard that it'll dry a dogs coat (think haystack) as it dissolves the oils. It's alright for a once in a while thing, but they shouldn't be swimming in there on a daily bases. Plus, if they swim in it during shedding, the fur may clog up or break the filter.

    And something else to watch out for, which shouldn't really be a concern with a curly tailed dog, but too much swimming can lead to something called Dead Tail or Limber Tail Syndrome. Most common in Labs, but can happen in almost any breed, this happens when the dog over uses the tail while swimming. When swimming, the dog will use it's tail as a rudder and sprain the muscles, causing the tail to be limp and look as if broken at the base.
  • edited January 2010
    Yes I know of two Shibas that have drowned in water one in a lake stream another in a pool. Often dogs will dash out forgetting that the pool cover is not on or in hot pursuit of critters or if distracted. Contrary to belief not all dogs can swim and some will sink like a stone. It has to be learned like anything else. It is a good idea to have a pet ramp on the edges of the pool and you go in with the dogs so they know were it is and they learn how to use it and get out on their own if they fall in. Never throw a dog in and assume it will figure it out. Also the coat of a Nihon in full coat can weigh a dog down if fully soaked. Some shibas like water others do not, but they all should have a dip so they know how to get out.

    If it were me I would be sure there are barriers, you just can not be everywhere at once or predict what will happen. It only takes a few minutes for disaster to happen.

    It's better to be safe than sorry....
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    http://www.skamper-ramp.com/home.asp?pid=1
    http://www.leffingwellpools.com/products_safety.php
    http://comfortfirst.com/p-35147-turtle-wristband-pool-alarm-for-children-and-pets.aspx
  • edited November -1
    I grew up in a house with a pool. It was nice for me, but SUCKED for my parents. They can be a lot of work and a HUGE expense when they stop working right. When they get older, it seems like you spend more time getting the filters to work, the PH balanced properly, and cleaning them than you actually do using them. They are also a BIG liability (as Beth suggested). Check with your insurance company to see what effect a pool will have on your home owner's insurance. I think you may be surprised.

    My parent finally bulldozed their pool (at a cost of $30k) a few years ago. It was long over due. Anyway, my point is, having grown up with a pool and seen what my parents went through with it, I can confidently say they are WAY more trouble than they are worth.
  • edited November -1
    Agree with Dave-- pools are more trouble than they are worth. I know from watching my mother with her pool. They are an added monthly expense.

    All the recommendations regarding fencing, walk out ramps, training the dogs to swim, etc. are absolutely correct if you are going to have a pool. Also look at access/exit from the pool if you have older relatives who may have difficulty getting in and out of the pool.
  • edited November -1
    Ahi has fallen into my parents pool 2 times, and their hot tub 1 time. Luytiy also fell into (more like: walked into) my parents pool. Kaia also fell in their pool too.

    Point is - yes, you need something to keep them from falling into the pool.

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  • edited November -1
    Thanks guys!

    To clarify; The pool area itself is screened in from the backyard, & the only way to go from pool to outside is through a [ lockable ] door. So no one from the outside [ ie: a neighbor's kid ] is going to fall in, unless they have the key to get in ;)

    This is the type of pool we have in FL: [ not a house we're buying, just general pic. ]
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    & we know it's an extra expense / work...but, again, 95+ degree weather everyday of summer & 85+ degree weather in the fall / spring...yeah, we want to be able to go take a dip :p It's worth the extra money / maintenance to us haha.

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    As far as the dogs...good to know! Thanks guys! When we get the pups, IF we get a pool home, I'll get one of them fences that goes around the pool itself. [ they sell them down here for people who have toddlers, but dogs are kids too! :p ] ~
  • edited November -1
    Osy, that is awesome... I want one of those when I move down to Florida! :)

    But I definitely agree, that being able to close off the pool area from the dogs is probably a good idea... I know my two would probably never even venture near a pool voluntarily (they both hate water). BUT, when squirrels and birds are involved, they act first, think later... And that could spell disaster for a dog that can not swim.

    And good luck with the house hunting! Hope you guys find exactly what you want. :) Because the sooner you do, the sooner we get Osy puppy spam! :-D
  • edited January 2010
    All those houses and not a single house spam...wtf Osy?!!?!

    I have an odd fascination with empty houses and apartments lol. I could look at floorplans all day.
  • edited November -1
    My parent's backyard is exactly what you are describing. In ground pool, HUGE pool, concrete around, and a grassy area to the very side with a dog run where it was RV parking on the side of the house.

    My dad and I were doing something at one end of the pool, adding chlorine or something, when Koda was 10 weeks old and he decided that he was going to puppy run right towards us on the pool cover. :0 He jumped on the cover and quickly was brought underneath it. I jumped in the pool with all my clothes on and shoes, and got him out. But it scared me and him half to death. I would put some sort of gate around a pool. It was the scariest thing, and made my heart drop. I'm thankful that I was close by to grab him. What would I do without my Koda Bear?

    Now, he's a little wary of the pool. lololol.
  • edited November -1
    Wow, if you are getting a house with a pool, expect to come home to forum members trying to find a way into your pool:)

    To add another scary water story, this wasn't with a pool but with a formal low wall pond (think square with a wall equal to one cinder block height) and puppy Tikaani. I was cleaning the filter and scooping out debris, when Tikaani (3 months old at the time) came charging towards me as fast as his puppy paws can go. For some reason he was let out without being tied to anything/anyone, and I was on the opposite of the pond as him. Before I could react, he made his way over the short wall and his paws sunk into the water. His face was filled with surprise and dread before going under water. I freaked and grabbed him by whatever I could get my hands on (I think his back leg and some back skin) and pulled him out of the water. Once out, he acted like nothing happened and wanted to explore elsewhere, but I just dragged him inside. Surprisingly enough, he was pretty dry and didn't need to be toweled off.
  • edited November -1
    Whoa, that IS scary~!!! You guys are lucky Tikaani & Koda are still around today! [ Thankfully! :) ]


    With that said, a small fence to put around the pool is now officially on the list of things to buy.


    [ & if any of the forum members want to come down for a pool party, you're more then welcome! Just wait til we pick a house first :p ]



    Rina --- We haven't really seen anything we're 100% in love with, but I'll send you pics of ones we do like / are going to make an offer on...as soon as we find them! :p [ & no worries...I LOVE looking at floorplans!!! ]~
  • edited November -1
    Tikaani still loves buckets and small pools, it was the beginning of something for him! :)
  • edited November -1
    Ancient Chinese Secret: Tikaani is part fish.

    Moihahaha ~
  • edited November -1
    LOL...Only thing is is that Tikaani refuses to go beyond chest deep.
  • edited November -1
    That's why he's only part fish! :D LOL~
  • edited November -1
    LoL:D
  • edited February 2010
    Rina, diddo on the house plans! One of my favorite classes in high school was drafting (CAD included), for that reason!

    Osy, if we get the pool and Disneyland, I am totally coming to visit ;o).
  • edited November -1
    Amber - I can't give you disneyLAND since that's in Cali, but I can give you DisneyWORLD LOL :p ~
  • edited November -1
    I remember Tojo falling off a paved path into a stream while we were going for a walk in a park. It was a really steep drop-off, so we had to pull him out quickly by his collar. Yikes. Yeah, harnesses are way better for that, so maybe keep that in mind. But, at least now we know that he *can* swim, lol.

    Skella's funny with water. We took her to the lake and she obviously didn't want to go swimming, but she kept swimming out to us and doing circles around each person and then going back to shore and repeating the whole process. True sheepdog, I guess.

    One note: if it's that hot, your dog will probably appreciate the water, too. Having a ramp and maybe some steps where they can stand in the water without swimming would be good.

    Oh man, it was so funny when Rakka dunked Skella in the pond at our place. Haha... she pushed her head under water with her paws like a true pool bully. Skella was not pleased. I have pictures and the glare that Skella gives Rakka is hilarious.
  • edited November -1
    Awwww poor Tojo!!!


    & Skella just cracks me up. She was probably telling you guys she's not a retriever :p LOL

    &...you have photos of this encounter & have not posted them!?!? HEIDI!!! Are you TRYING to torment me??? hahaha

    I think, the beneficial thing about the pool is that we'll be able to get our pup "accustomed" to water a bit easier. As you said, I like the idea of them being able to stick their feet in.

    Otherwise, I'll probably get a "kiddie pool" fill it with regular water, & give them access to that to cool off :)


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    On another note. The realtor told us By LAW the houses must come with those mesh-fence things that block off the pool! So we're all set to protect pups from "accidentally" falling in :) ~
  • edited November -1
    pics:

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  • edited November -1
    OMG!!!!


    ROFLMFAO!!!!!!


    I think I just DIED Laughing. Yes, Rakka is very much a pool bully!!! ~
  • edited November -1
    LoL those pictures are priceless:D
  • edited November -1
    LOL. Pool Bully! That's such an Ahi move. LMAO
  • edited November -1
    Amber - Glad I'm not alone lol.

    Heidi - LMAO those pictures are priceless. I love it.
  • edited November -1
    LOL, those pictures definitely gave me a good laugh. I didn't even know what was happening in the 1st picture until I looked harder.
  • edited February 2010
    Those pics are GREAT!!

    Osy - that is good because I have been to Disneyland, and was not impressed :(... I have heard DisneyWorld is way better though! LOL...I am forever mixing the names up. *shakes head at self*

    Oh, and Rina - I have all the old house-plans books my CAD teacher in drafting used to use as examples. I even bought a log cabin home plans magazine to flip through during a long trip... I might be a wee bit obsessed...
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