Is dog showing expensive? Not a local dog show, I mean like an AKC/CKC dog show. I heard it is expensive...is it? How much does it cost?? Can someone tell me about dog showing?
Dog showing can be very expensive. You have entry fees which can range from $20 - $30 a class. There is also the expense of grooming equipment, show leads, show clothing, hotel rooms, and other traveling expenses. I just came back from a 3 day UKC show in IN and total I spent $300 on a hotel room, $100 in gas for the car, $150 in entries for 2 dogs, and $60 in food. My food bill would have been higher, but I was with other people and we all bought food and grilled out every night at the show.
I showed Kuma and Tora. Kuma is out of coat so he lost in the breed ring all 3 days. Tora won breed all 3 days and competed in group. She got alot of looks and nice comments from the judges, but it still a little immature to place with that level of competition. It was nice that all the rings were indoors and there was alot more space, but the a/c in the building could use some work. It was only slightly cooler inside than out. It was also nice since it was only a 2.5 hour drive rather than the 5 it takes to get to the old location. They are having it in richmond again next year.
Oh okay, that's not bad :) other people that told me made it sound like it costed thousands and thousands of dollars at a time for a single dog and a single show...LOL dumb asses!
Thanks Stacey! I would someday love to become a Shikoku breeder/shower, but need to learn about showing, and have no damn clue where to learn...lol
They may be thinking of AKC specialing? Showing dogs who are already champions in order to get that top breed or group ranking? At this level, it can get expensive.
Unlike the UKC where professional handlers cannot show other people's dogs, the AKC allows professional handlers to show for their clients. We'll never see people like Martha Steward show her chows or Bill Cosby show his Dandie Dinmont Terrier, but these celebrities will hire dog handlers to chase after the shows. In rare cases, jetting rather than RVing to the shows. In very competitive breeds like the German Shepherd, it's said that your dog won't get a look by the judge if they're not handled by a big name handler who also happens to trots out the dog just right and teach it to free-stack. The reasoning behind this is that a big name handler would refuse to handle a subpar dog as it'll hurt their reputation.
In addition, people who want specialed dogs will put out very expensive ads on their dogs. This is sort of a shotgun approach to influence judges.
Fortunately, the Shikoku is not yet AKC and the non-AKC shows like the UKC tend to be more forgiving of amateur owners showing dogs that are acting like dogs. I don't know much about the CKC.
It depends on where you take your dog to be showed. If you took a shikoku to FCI shows in Europe it will easily run over a thousand, due to the plane ticket. The only place you could take a shikoku to be showed in North America now is in Canada (except for the NIPPO Classic), since they are not recognized by the AKC, UKC, etc. For example, if you went to the NIPPO Classic last year in Ohio from Oregon, a plane ticket could range from $400-$700, plus hotel and food, and that is just expenses for you. If you do this a few times a year it will get into the thousands. Other expenses could include grooming, vet bills, equipment, handlers, etc. It is all relative.
Oh okay...well, is the Nippo show in Ohio any different than the CKC or UKC shows? what i mean is, will the shikoku be judged the same way and earn the same points and status (champion, grand champion etc.) or are the rules/judging a lot different?
Nippo rules are different. UKC shows are alot of fun and very laid back. You will find alot of people at UKC shows willing to give you tips. With a rare breed it can be harder to get your titles. You have to have competition wins and unless there are other in your breed classes you have to get them in the group ring. It is hard to get group placements on a rare breed. Not that it can't be done, it just takes longer.
They're different. Separate entities with their own rules.
I'm not sure how different the Shikoku standards are (NIPPO vs. UKC vs. FCI), but the UKC did make an attempt a few years back to bring their standards closer to FCI.
If it's a matter of budgeting and choosing what shows to go to, the Nippo show in Ohio would be my first choice. Just because the judge from Japan should be an expert on the breed, particularly in the area of breed type.
The UKC will have more all-round judges due to the scarcity of them seeing Shikoku and the inexperience of how to evalute them. They may try to pull in Shiba or Kai info and apply it to the Shikoku. I think UKC judges will be good at evaluating movement right off the bat, but evaluating breed type will take time.
alot of them even have trouble applying the breed standard to the kai. they see so few of them they try to use the shiba or akita standard since they know those better.
Random question (since I'm moving to Ohio in the near future): is the NIPPO show there a recurring event, or was last year's a one-off? (I seem to remember hearing about a NIPPO show in the US that rotated between 2 or 3 locations, but I wasn't sure if it was the same thing).
I have nothing to add to this thread, but I wanted to congratulate my niece on a job well done!!! I'm so proud of her. Stacey when you get a chance, can you share some pics? I'd love to see how Tora looks compared to Koda. I will try and get some of him this week.
The Nippo show moves around each year. They are trying to keep it more centralized in the future though as people travel from all over the country to attend.
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some how I just knew you would come in on this! :) You ,if anyone can answer this. Well you can share the results!! How did your pups do??
Thanks Stacey! I would someday love to become a Shikoku breeder/shower, but need to learn about showing, and have no damn clue where to learn...lol
Unlike the UKC where professional handlers cannot show other people's dogs, the AKC allows professional handlers to show for their clients. We'll never see people like Martha Steward show her chows or Bill Cosby show his Dandie Dinmont Terrier, but these celebrities will hire dog handlers to chase after the shows. In rare cases, jetting rather than RVing to the shows. In very competitive breeds like the German Shepherd, it's said that your dog won't get a look by the judge if they're not handled by a big name handler who also happens to trots out the dog just right and teach it to free-stack. The reasoning behind this is that a big name handler would refuse to handle a subpar dog as it'll hurt their reputation.
In addition, people who want specialed dogs will put out very expensive ads on their dogs. This is sort of a shotgun approach to influence judges.
Fortunately, the Shikoku is not yet AKC and the non-AKC shows like the UKC tend to be more forgiving of amateur owners showing dogs that are acting like dogs. I don't know much about the CKC.
I'm not sure how different the Shikoku standards are (NIPPO vs. UKC vs. FCI), but the UKC did make an attempt a few years back to bring their standards closer to FCI.
If it's a matter of budgeting and choosing what shows to go to, the Nippo show in Ohio would be my first choice. Just because the judge from Japan should be an expert on the breed, particularly in the area of breed type.
The UKC will have more all-round judges due to the scarcity of them seeing Shikoku and the inexperience of how to evalute them. They may try to pull in Shiba or Kai info and apply it to the Shikoku. I think UKC judges will be good at evaluating movement right off the bat, but evaluating breed type will take time.