The CM video reminds me of when Isaac shoved Matea to the ground and said he was "telling her to lay down with his hand." CM is telling the dog he wants him up the stairs with his choke chain. Sounds so innocent.
One thing i'm confused with in the video with the pit bull is why the dog is looking at the handler when in the presence of the other dog is he waiting for the correction with the pinch collar or a food reward from the handler. Can some body enlighten me here. Because when i have trained dogs using a pinch collar nearly all of them look at me instantly after the correction. But i didnt just rely on the pinch collar alone i always used a verbal command of "AH AH" in a strong tone. Now i use to work for the RSPCA at a dog shelter and have trained a lot of unruly unwanted dogs on a pinch collar and i have found that the behaviour modification goes even further when used with a verbal command after a few days of leash walking with the pinch collar other unwanted behaviour can be removed by the "AH AH" command the dog just stops what it is doing and pays attention to me. I will mention this was my old method of training and i have jumped on the positive method way of doing things now. But back in the day i saved a lot of dog from being PTS by training with this method.
To me, it is clear as day that, in the Pitbull video, there is A TON of training footage missing. The dog acts as tho he has never been trained at all with the lady and then walks out with that guy in a perfect heal. You don't get a perfect heal like that by just putting a prong collar (or any tool) to use - a perfect heal like that, in a complex and highly distracting environment like that one, especially around stimuli that is fearful to the dog, takes 100s of ours of training work - with or without a prong collar.
Its pointless to look at that video and try to make assumptions as it clearly doesn't give the whole story.
At least in the CM video and in the video with the SB not wanting to take a bath there is an attempt to give the whole story and show the techniques used to get from A -> B.
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@hondru - That's funny. That is a perfect example of how CM thinks like a toddler. LOL
@ramps: I think the reason that you see a bigger difference in response to behavior modification when pairing the verbal correction with the prong collar has to do with classical conditioning. After a few days of hearing "ah ah" followed by a leash snap on the prong, the dogs learned to associate the verbal correction with the anticipation of the pinch. Think Pavlov and salivating dogs in response to the attendant bringing food. It's the same concept, only what you taught was a negative association rather than a positive one. Over time, the association between the verbal correction and the physical one becomes so strong, the verbal correction carries the same force and effect as the physical one. So that is why you saw such attentiveness when you used those methods.
The same theory can be (and in fact is) leveraged when doing positive reinforcement with the clicker. Just like the "ah ah" became a conditioned negative punishment, the click in clicker training becomes a conditioned positive reinforcer.
I'm a little late to the party, but I thought that I would note how dangerous it seemed in terms of physics to drag a 120-pound dog up a flight of stairs when it's resisting with all its strength. If I'm walking up the stairs -backwards- and have to lug 120 pounds of inanimate object with me, I would still be worried of losing my balance and toppling down. One really determined jerk from the Saint and any handler who lost their footing would be over the rail or down the stairs, potentially crushing the dog (or camera crew...)
It clearly "got the job done" at least enough for an entertaining show, but I would rather expend all of that explosive energy during a few days of relaxing training than exhausting myself to the point of shortness of breath. I can only imagine how heavily the dog was breathing if you can hear such exertion in Cesar's voice. It's the "bandaid method" which works wondefully for many of aspects of life, but you don't ever learn a permanent lesson from doing something as quickly and painfully as possible.
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Can some body enlighten me here.
Because when i have trained dogs using a pinch collar nearly all of them look at me instantly after the correction.
But i didnt just rely on the pinch collar alone i always used a verbal command of "AH AH" in a strong tone.
Now i use to work for the RSPCA at a dog shelter and have trained a lot of unruly unwanted dogs on a pinch collar and i have found that the behaviour modification goes even further when used with a verbal command after a few days of leash walking with the pinch collar other unwanted behaviour can be removed by the "AH AH" command the dog just stops what it is doing and pays attention to me.
I will mention this was my old method of training and i have jumped on the positive method way of doing things now.
But back in the day i saved a lot of dog from being PTS by training with this method.
Its pointless to look at that video and try to make assumptions as it clearly doesn't give the whole story.
At least in the CM video and in the video with the SB not wanting to take a bath there is an attempt to give the whole story and show the techniques used to get from A -> B.
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@hondru - That's funny. That is a perfect example of how CM thinks like a toddler. LOL
The same theory can be (and in fact is) leveraged when doing positive reinforcement with the clicker. Just like the "ah ah" became a conditioned negative punishment, the click in clicker training becomes a conditioned positive reinforcer.
It clearly "got the job done" at least enough for an entertaining show, but I would rather expend all of that explosive energy during a few days of relaxing training than exhausting myself to the point of shortness of breath. I can only imagine how heavily the dog was breathing if you can hear such exertion in Cesar's voice. It's the "bandaid method" which works wondefully for many of aspects of life, but you don't ever learn a permanent lesson from doing something as quickly and painfully as possible.