Ovarian Remnant Syndrome
A term that seems to fit my 6 year old female Shiba(Miko)....
...great timing (read my intro - new akita pup into house, 7 year old shiba male pissed off about it, to be frank. Females shibas (one is supposedly half keel kai half shiba -Saki. The male, Kuma, has never trailed the smaller female, spayed as well, like this, ever) have already befriended the akita, further pissing off the shiba male....
Anyway, I think she was just going again into her spayed (several years ago to boot) version of a "heat" about the time of the akitas arrival. As of yesterday the male shiba has really lost his mind("heat" peaking?)! Whining to be near her, intensely trailing and mounting her despite his wounds still healing from his neutering, much to the females annoyance (btw, all these years he has never figured out how to successfully penetrate). 1 plus is he's gotten to the obsessed point where the akita has become semi invisible to him, unless they stumble into each other head on (caused by the male shiba's manic chasing of Miko).
This is no dominance thing. It is a pure sex obsession. No, of course I don't know if Miko has ORS for sure, but if quacks like a duck... It happens once or twice a year - the sign being Kuma's over the top interest in her (I realize his fresh neutering will take some time for him now).
Anyone else annually dealing w/ a spay that didn't seem to fully "take"? Thanks!
...great timing (read my intro - new akita pup into house, 7 year old shiba male pissed off about it, to be frank. Females shibas (one is supposedly half keel kai half shiba -Saki. The male, Kuma, has never trailed the smaller female, spayed as well, like this, ever) have already befriended the akita, further pissing off the shiba male....
Anyway, I think she was just going again into her spayed (several years ago to boot) version of a "heat" about the time of the akitas arrival. As of yesterday the male shiba has really lost his mind("heat" peaking?)! Whining to be near her, intensely trailing and mounting her despite his wounds still healing from his neutering, much to the females annoyance (btw, all these years he has never figured out how to successfully penetrate). 1 plus is he's gotten to the obsessed point where the akita has become semi invisible to him, unless they stumble into each other head on (caused by the male shiba's manic chasing of Miko).
This is no dominance thing. It is a pure sex obsession. No, of course I don't know if Miko has ORS for sure, but if quacks like a duck... It happens once or twice a year - the sign being Kuma's over the top interest in her (I realize his fresh neutering will take some time for him now).
Anyone else annually dealing w/ a spay that didn't seem to fully "take"? Thanks!
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As far as your male.... Just because he is neutered does not mean he will not attempt to breed a female. Sometimes a neutered male will attempt to tie even if they have not before.
Also some females when they have UTI or infection may give off odors that attract other dogs. Take in a urine sample to make sure all is clear.
In the duration keep you male and female separate and if there is further concern certainly talk to your vet.
Good luck…
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USA, Oklahoma. My wife says, "we have no spay certificate?" I'm gonna guess we ordered the standard spay at the time.
As far as your male.... Just because he is neutered does not mean he will not attempt to breed a female. Sometimes a neutered male will attempt to tie even if they have not before.
Correct. And his was recently done, as mentioned. Believe me...it's her "chemicals" driving him batty. Quite obvious.
Also some females when they have UTI or infection may give off odors that attract other dogs. Take in a urine sample to make sure all is clear.
I really appreciate the help, Static, but I would have to say very unlikely on the UTI. It's too powerful and comes on for weeks and then goes away - just like a heat, so to speak. Happens once or twice a year now.
In the duration keep you male and female separate and if there is further concern certainly talk to your vet.
I will definitely call her.
Honestly, it's so obvious he thinks she's in heat, I thought people here would post early, "Yes, this happens - not unusual - spayed females can still give off powerful perfume."
She is my first female dog... so I am not familiar. Thanks!
Vet checked him over Tues. Said we did good. It looks pretty good down there. Just put him on antibiotics and said e-collar can come off Sunday(tomorrow).
Miko knows where to lie(crate, under desks, denying him access) so he can't torture her 24/7. She handles herself pretty well (uhh, unlike the male of the species), and we are usually here (office in house). Thanks!
EDIT: If she is really having the hormones that cause heat cycles, I would be worried about stump pyometra and mammary cancer...
http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&A=3507&S=4&SourceID=42
But from what you've said, all the symptoms are from your male dog. Does the female have swelling or discharge, or actively flirt with the boys? Have any other intact male dogs taken interest in her? If not, I'd think it's just improper behavior by the male as he tries to cope with stress and his hormones. After a neuter, a dog will have an imbalance of testosterone that will take some time to level off.
Thanks for that. We'll definitely attempt to have the vet on the case mon. morn.
Yes, all from the male (and our control group - he NEVER does the chasing, shadowing, panting, evasive smelling, mounting on spayed female
Again, the timing of the behavior is heat like for him. No more than twice a year, comes on, then goes away.... and it's pitiful, and completely annoying to watch ("You're telling me", says the female).
Well that sums up the explanation(one of them) my wife got from the vet, on our female. A little piece of something can get left behind and... well pretty much the title of this thread, "ORS", is the result. Of course, she mentioned a possible female in heat up to a mile away(heck, let's throw in our "neighborhood" coyotes - we got plenty!), etc., sparking our male. Sorry, I don't buy that theory one bit. His nose is up her butt, right here 24/7, if he can get access to her. It's like he turns into the "wolf man"(mind is gone), when this happens (and there is history w/ her). Again, we see no physical signs from her, at all. We are to bring her in the next time this rages, and the vet will look at her.
Suffice to say, this was not the result we expected spaying the female when originally done and paid for. Total pain in the Alice.