A ''mini" shiba inu??
For some reason, I'm a bit disturbed by Ice Wind Farm's claim that
they have created a Mini Shiba that only amounts to 10lbs full grown.
Isn't
that a clear indicator that she is not breeding for the betterment of
the breed? Or does this really sometimes happen? I mean, my shibas are
18lbs each but they are active year old shibas..
http://icewindfarm.com/
Available Now: 2 Mini Shiba Puppies, 8 weeks old. On Rare Occasions we will have minature
shiba pups that will only grow to about 10 lbs. in size as an Adult. They are very cute ,
have great temperaments, and could fit in your pocket. They are amazing to watch, they are very
fast and playful.
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successfully eliminate them as a reputable breeder. I am so
disappointed.
Brad, can you talk to your brother about the legal issues associated with maintaining a public black list of breeders? I don't know if its something I/we want to get involved with, but part of me wonders if it may do some good.
yes, Kaia is super small - she is 14lb, but is a bit plump these days (I have nicked-named her sausage because she has no shape), she is on a diet now tho. Anyway, she should be closer to 10 - 12 for her size.
I will ask my bro tonight... that is a good idea, tho I agree it may make us the target of some hate.
icewind already has flack for their "Tamaskan" breeding and how they are not improved by the tamaskan associations but deny that they need to be blah blah
its not the fact that they have a 'defective' litter, its the fact she is marketing them as a new designer breed of Shiba. That is so wrong. That should be made crystal clear to her. I sent an email.
Wow. That is pretty horrifying. I hate this designer dog craze. This afternoon, I saw a mini yorkie in bag on the bus. Cute, but aren't dogs supposed to walk? You know, enjoy the journey, roam, run, sniff. These designer dogs do nothing but sit there. Only a few designer dogs I've met had any kind of personality. How can they? They weigh all of 4lbs. They need all their energy just to open their eye, let alone wag their tails.
Anyway, I wanted to comment on a couple things. Not sure how to thread my replies under the post they are related to, so just putting everything here.
brada1878: mini versions of most breeds - including Shibas - in Japan are called Mame. Mame Shibas however are NOT a recognized part of the Nippo standard. The standard for Shibas in Japan is actually a little bit LARGER than the AKC standard in the US.
okiron: - it is absolutely a misperception that "pro-rescue" people are also anti-breeder. It may hold true for many all-breed rescuers, but in all actuality most people who are involved in breed specific rescue are very pro responsible breeding. If it weren't for responsible breeders, the breed we love so much would
not exist.
I know many people involved in Shiba rescue and other breed-specific rescue and many of them have relationships with, and respect for, reputable breeders. I am very anti-puppymill and anti-pet store and anti-backyard breeder, but I have a great relationship with a number of reputable breeders. I feel like we have the same goal - the welfare of the breed. I refer people to reputable breeders all the time. I also steer people away from non-responsible breeders whenever possible.
I am a member of the Shiba Club of Greater New York and all of the breeders and fanciers in SCGNY believe "if you won't rescue, don't breed" and they are all involved with rescue. They support NYCSR through volunteering, making donations, and referring potential adopters. Many breeders outside our area strongly support us also.
Last, but sooooo not least, my heart dog - Snickers - was purchased as a pup from an NSCA/SCGNY breeder and, although I also have an adopted female and various foster dogs coming and going, I intend to always have one dog from a good breeder. Snickers has the most amazing temperament (he is a Canine Good Citizen and a Delta Society registered therapy dog) and I wouldn't trade the relationship I have with him for anything.
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jenna gates
"it’s all about the inus"
nyc shiba rescue, inc.
nycshibarescue.org
they are very good at being deceptive, if that is the case, when I first found interest in the breed, her site was one of the many that attracted my attention, but the more I learn about the breed and breeders, the more I don't think I could ever give her business - although she does to rescue as well, sometimes she'll take in an adult bred from there and try to re home it.
I am sure you will be relieved to know that most of us on this forum are PRO reputable breeder AND Pro rescue. I know Brandon, Tsukistune, and I all do extensive rescue work (to name a few).
Personally I have one rescue shiba, a rescue pit, and a breeder shikoku.
I know this forum is dedicated to health and well being of Nihon Ken and know that there is room in the world for responsible breeder and rescues. In the hopes that perhaps one day there will no longer be a need for rescues.
All that being said, welcome to the forum!
Anyway... Welcome to the forum Jenna, nice to "see" you here! :c)
JessicaRabbit: Thank you.
tsukitsune: You are right... you really can't tell. Breeders' websites can be very deceptive. The best way to learn about any particular breeder is to get references from the NSCA and/or your local Shiba fancier's club and then talk to people that have purchased puppies from them. I know a number of people with Icewinds Shibas and have learned quite a bit about them over the past two years (just in case anyone is interested in a private chat).